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  1. charles_creech78

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    Email from this sight to me.Yes you may make as many copies as you need. Freely you have received
    freely
    give.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Charles Creech" <[email protected]>
    To: <[email protected]>
    Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:58 AM
    Subject: A Message from a Visitor to Biblical Research Reports


    > Below is the result of the Biblical Research Reports feedback form.
    > 24 September 2007 09:58:39
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    > Name: Charles Creech
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    > Other: Can I copy this.
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    > Message: I need to show my friends of this they read the NIV and I
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    > them that is was changed but they don't believe me.
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    There is my copy write from this sight I would have given it to you but some of you did not like my post. If you do not believe that this is from them then go to the web and ask them. I did nothing wrong you people would not let me finish what I was saying and I was told by some of you to quite posting.I would have posted it but it was closed.
     
  2. dan e.

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    First of all....copyRIGHT....second of all, that doesn't change the BB rules, I would suppose.

    It also does not answer any of the comments/questions that have been directed toward you. Read back through the old thread. There are plenty to choose from.
     
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    I must of missed the initial thread, can someone shed some light on this thread?
     
  4. dan e.

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    It is closed now, but is titled "Is someone who believes in one version of the Bible unbiblical?"

    It is in this forum.
     
  5. Bro. Williams

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    Gotcha. Thanks.
     
  6. charles_creech78

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    Look I am not going to fight with you Dan get over it. The post is closed.
     
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    Copyright © 2003-2007 by Biblical Research Reports. All Rights Reserved.
    You are free to copy, redistribute, and reprint these articles free of charge. If you post an article on your website, we would appreciate a link back to this website. It does matter when you people said I did something wrong with not getting a copyright. Go look at the posts in that was closed and see if I did not put up the web page Post 210 plus I ask for copyright by Email. If you people was not trieing to start a fight with me and really read what I am posting then non of this would not have happen. But you trie to make me look like I am a bad person. 1co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the WISE, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 1co 1:20 Where is the WISE? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? Like I said before Dan I love you and may God bless you.
     
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    Thank you for sharing this info on where you got the original info...

    Now, can you tell me why you are against variant texts that underly the NIV for example, but you are not against variant texts that underly the KJV?

    The TR was made up of texts that didn't agree with each other....
     
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    Charles, I think you are misunderstanding me. I in no way have been attacking you, or belittled you. I have been a little sarcastic at times, but am just trying to keep this light.

    I do, however, still remain awfully confused at how you can come to your conclusions about KJVO, and your thoughts towards modern versions, and how you have all but totally ignored some other comments directed at you. Some of those have been by tinytim, Ed, and others. If you want, I can get links to the specific comments. I don't have them off hand at the moment. Anyways, your reasoning is what confuses me, and your accusations towards the translators of modern versions are a little bit harsh, and inaccurate. All you have done is copy and paste some article that has the same bias presuppositions that you do, IMO. You're right, I'm not here to bicker and fight...and haven't been. I'm just trying to pull some responses from you about some things we've been saying to you, since you have avoided them. If you don't care to...then fine. No problem. I'll move on.

    Just let me know if I should keep my eye on this thread, or if I should get lost. :thumbs:
     
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  10. charles_creech78

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    First of all I am not a KJVO person . And when I said old is better I did not mean the KJVO. I ment all scripture that is old. It is just like if you get a new bottle of wine and a old bottle of wine which one do you think is going to tast better. Not that I drink just a point. I have not avoided them I have given you scripture on the NIV and clearly stated why I do not believe it. I believe in some KJV because they are so close of being the same. There are some words changed or that differ in the KJV bibles but I have never seen a BIBLE that had some SCRIPTURE TAKEN OUT OF IT till I read the NIV. The thing is we need to let God translate it and not man. What is so wrong with the older bibles. Man needs to see that he is not perfect and trieing to translate it to make it better is only going to make it worse because man is not perfect there for it will not be better. God had it translated for us to understand it not to make it better because it was already good. I hope you see what I am tring to say.Translate means to another laugage.
     
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    Alrighty....nevermind. I'd definitely suggest you take a look at the book I recommended by James White. You might find it a little eye opening on some of your presuppositions.

    See you in another thread. :wavey:
     
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    charles_creech78, I will again note that you write these words. (And since I do not want to start any fight with anyone, I will give Language Cop the afternoon off.)
    Does this street run both ways, in your neighborhood? And is it possible that some, if not all, have actually read what you are posting, and happen to disagree with your point of view? I have attempted to answer you, in the past. Others have well answered and/or commented to you. I will here cite an example from one of my own posts. One of the things this post spoke about was as to whether or not the KJV-1769 "added" the words "of God" to the text, or whether the KJV-1611 "took away" the words "of God" from the same text. Here is my quote, as well as some others in said post, #136 on this thread.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43178&page=14

    And your response to that post consisted of these comments in post # 138.
    I will stick to these posts, alone, including this one I am responding to, except to say this. I already said I hoped you chose to hang around. That has not changed. But I do have a few things to address, and some things to correct.

    First off, neither I, you, nor any other person could be "getting a copyright" (Copyright ©) on the Biblical Research Reports.
    Biblical Research Reports already possesses this copyright, which they have graciously allowed toall of us the use of. But it is and shall remain theirs, and theirs alone for another century, or so. That is what a copyright is, by definition. Biblical Research Reports did say they would appreciate a link back to their website. (I notice their very modest request was ignored, BTW, in 29 consecutive posts.) Others, including an Administrator, called you on this. And even when you did acknowledge the source from whence came (at least some of) this material, with no breaks, [quote ] [/quote ] offsets, or even quotation marks, you launched right back into your own remarks, yet once again, in this very post I am responding to. And that practice casts a bad light on the Baptist Board, for anything posted here On the BB, is copyrighted, in itself, both by you, and by the Baptist Board. Yes, that is how the copyright law works.

    I am in no way trying to make you, or anyone else, look bad. AND I have previously stated that I did not think you were a "bad person", but appreciated your humility. I hope I can continue to say that.

    I am merely pointing out a fact. And I will point out one more. I mentioned seven other individuals by name, in my quoted post. I would consider all seven to have good reputations, and have found all seven to be fair and gracious, in their responses, on the BB. Yet all seven were ignored, in some of their own posts. I do not recall one of them trying to make you, or anyone else, look bad. I cannot recall exactly what Mexdeaf and Keith M were referring to, without investing a great deal of time that I do not have free, at the moment, but obviously I did when referencing their names. I do recall both David Lamb and TC answering the first Bible that was "authorized", the Great Bible, which response, was ignored.

    Ed Edwards noted that the words "of God" were "removed from" the Geneva Bible into the KJV-1611, and also noted that when you claimed to quote from a KJV-1611 (which he happens to posess in his hot little paws, BTW), you were, in fact, quoting from what was probably a KJV-1769 Edition. At least, it was another, and not a 1611 Edition. Your response was, not an agreement that this was, in fact, the case, but that the two editions really said the same thing. That was not what he pointed out, nor was that the question.

    TCGreek answered you, as did I, as to the Greek basis for I John 5:12, and how it was properly translated. That, too, was ignored. And C4K's question was slid over by you merely saying you did not agree with adding to or taking away from. Once again, that was not the question.

    And when I return from a weekend family reunion, I find the thread closed, (When I left, we were at post #164; when I get back, we are at post #222, with a closed thread, with 55 posts in 4 hours, and the main reason being 29 consecutive posts of "cut and paste" (which BTW, contain at least two false implications that stick out like a "sore thumb"), with no credit given, and the expected protests to that practice.

    So please forgive me, if I find it a little hard to accept the "hurt poster" syndrome, or accept that some posters are "ignoring you". It simply doesn't wear very well. If I sound a bit annoyed, I apologize in advance. I admit that I was.

    [Edited to add] It appears that my response, to a previous post, about not putting down other versions, and that all were a "Holy Bible", did not last very long. So I will repeat it. Let me simply say that my NKJV®© (1982) says "Holy Bible", on the cover. My 'Old' Scofield ®© KJV (1917) says "Holy Bible" on the cover. My now stolen 'New Scofield'®© (1967) KJV said "Holy Bible" on the cover. My bride's NIV®© (not sure of the date, on it, as she is at work) says "Holy Bible" on the cover. I fail to see any difference in that wording of "Holy Bible". Apparently, based on some 29 posts, not all agree with my assessment. [Close Edit]

    Ed
     
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    Whomever:
    I've been In Missouri -- SHOW ME.

    King James didn't like the Bishop's Bible
    cause it had opinions (commentary margin notes)
    so he prohibited 'margine notes'. The KJV1611 Edition
    had no commentary margin notes.
    The KJV1611 Edition does have:

    1. cross references

    2. Translator notes

    both of these are different kinds of margin notes.
    The KVJ1611 Edition does not have commentary
    margin notes.
     
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    God bless you.
     
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    I will not speak about the topic no more. So if you want to fight you will be doing it alone.
     
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    I haven't read much of the thread but caught the copyright part. If I am correct the copyrights only last 70 years after the death of the orginal Author. I am sure most of the material you all are talking about the copyright is long gone. If not, then the material is by someone who used someone else's material.
    Personally I like the KJV. It is the only Bible I use at church but I do some intensive research on the net which might include all of the translations for references.
    We all serve God for ourselves and must do as our own heart guides us and not what someone else is doing for the sake of being like him.

    BBob,
     
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    Amen brother Bob.
     
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    In the spirit of this thread...may I quote a verse:

    "May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus, so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

    Romans 15:5 (NIV
     
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    (KJV1611) Ro 15:5 Now the God of PATIENCE and CONSOLATION grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus. (Geneva) Rom 15:5 Now the God of PATIENCE and CONSOLATION give you that ye be likeminded one towards another, according to Christ Jesus,
     
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    Amen, Brother dan e. -- Preach it!
     
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