Cost of University Education. Why?

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  1. Crabtownboy

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  2. Don

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    Because they have higher taxes to subsidize paying for it?
     
  3. JohnDeereFan

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    Why? Simple: Because colleges know that as long as the government is going to pick up the check, there's no reason to have competitive tuition rates.

    Not exactly rocket science.
     
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    Yep, you've got it. Put a fairly low cap on federally insured student loans and tuition rates will tumble.
     
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    It is not free in this country because we live in a constitutional republic and a free market system.

    It is not free in this country because f taxes are taken up from the tax payers and distributed by the government then the government gets to decide what is taught in these schools.

    It is not free in this country because this is not a socialist country.
     
  6. just-want-peace

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    This is a principle that liberals either 1) totally ignore OR are, 2) totally inoculated against "catching".
    I vote for # 1.:thumbs:

    The same principle could apply to welfare, the modern version of unemployment, and much (all?) of the Dims agenda.:BangHead:
     
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    Why don't we just have the government continue to pay their bills and feed them after college graduation too? and why stop at just education, in fact we should have the government build mansions for every single person in America, I mean everyone deserves to live in a mansion too right?
     
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    While you are giving all that away make sure they pay off my student loans.
     
  9. Jordan Kurecki

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    no worries we will pay off your loans and buy you a new car as well. You see the government has magical powers that can just create wealth and material from thin air. so you are good.

    Anyone else have anything else they want?
     
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    Wait......I'm not done:


    1. A new ipad

    2. A new truck, I do not drive cars.

    3. a retirement account

    4. free groceries fro life
     
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    You also have to remember that here in the US we see college as an entitlement. In other countries, if you don't make the grade you don't go to college. Even if you do make the grade, you do not necessarily get to choose your field of study (most of the time, however, aptitude goes along with interest). But in most countries college is not something that you simply choose to do.
     
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    Facebook not being the arbiter of objective reporting...it should be noted that not all of universities and colleges in these countries are free.

    For instance, Germany, there are many colleges and universities that are indeed free but many that are not.

    College shouldn't be free, it should cost you. Student loans acquired during one's formal post-secondary education should be paid back in full. Education has a cost.

    That said, it is abundantly clear that we are facing a situation where college costs are exploding amid a belief that college is both necessary and necessarily expensive. We've created a kind of 'tulip mania' where leaders of colleges and universities are bilking the public coffers out of extraordinary amounts of money. Some will say the free market should control the costs but this is getting untenable. Not only are universities and colleges extorting money from state and national educational budgets the high student loan debt is crippling students for decades. This is not what was intended.

    At some point the market is going shakeout.

    Maybe it is when several million high school students realize they don't actually need the piece of paper that comes at the end of an expensive 4 years where they haven't actually been educated. Maybe it is when it just becomes financially impossible to sustain colleges. There is no reason to think that a $250,000 undergraduate education from Sarah Lawrence College (the most expensive in the US) is substantively better than the same education from Bismarck State College (the cheapest public in US) which is about $16,000 total.
     
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    Only intellectual Democrats should live in mansions--the rest of us should live in hovels, especially white Republicans who cling to their Bibles and guns.
     
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    Hmm... I wonder. Since it's free, why are they not more economically and scientifically advanced than they are? Or than we are?

    Simple, really.

    It's not free there , either.
     
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    You are correct on all of your points.

    I thank God that I was able to use my GI Bill education benefits to help me pay for a lot of both my undergraduate and graduate level college costs, & it was at a time when college education hadn't yet become the great onus it is to students, their families, and sometimes their spouses.

    I understand that there is some truth to the adage that "You get what you pay for," but that isn't always universally [Pardon the pun.] true today. College professors demand salaries that are unrealistic in today's economy. Textbooks are outrageously priced. And then if a student lives too far from home to commute back and forth to campus, then you've got dorm fees to pay. And on and it goes.

    Thankfully there are some alternatives that can help to reduce some college/university financial burdens.

    Seeking out a nearby Community College whose costs are usually a lot lower can be one route to take, even if it's just to cover the required "General Education" courses.

    If a student can do so, he/she can sometimes "test out" on certain subjects. Your HS guidance counselor can guide you in these matters.

    A HS student should apply for as many scholarships as he/she can. You may not be awarded every scholarship for which you apply (and some require you to be in some "special situations"), but if you don't apply for a scholarship at all, you certainly won't get one!

    And, yes, there's still the option of forgoing college immediately after HS graduation to enlist in the military. I understand that some may not wish to pursue this path, especially in light of recent events and the possibility of being sent somewhere and/or doing some things you may not wish to do. OTOH, most branches of the armed forces provide you with practically "free" college-level credits that will transfer on to university level course credits.

    Since I served in the USAF, I can only tell you of what it did for me with regard to helping me get credits that allowed me to forgo classes that'd cost me an arm and a leg in the civilian world.

    The USAF has what's known as the Community College of the Air Force. What this is is the way your military training is converted into regionally accredited [by the Southern Assn. of Colleges & Schools {SACS}] course credits.

    One's Basic Training converts into 4 SH of Physical Education.

    Your Tech School Training is converted into whatever you are trained to perform while in the USAF. In my case, I was trained in the Avionics Guidance & Control Systems Specialty. Now I have a total of 49 SH in electronics.

    Once on the job, I had hands-on training for both the 5-level & 7-level G&C specialty. That gave me an "Internship" credit of 8 SH. (Granted, this is probably not a transferable set of credits for a university, but if you wish to pursue, say, missionary aviation or work in an aviation field, the hands-on experience that you have might put you on the fast-track for hiring compared to someone who has no recognizable experience at all.)

    I also took management courses for free under the auspices of the USAF NCO Academy. This gave me 5 SH of management studies.

    I could have probably have done more, but I just didn't have that much time to devote when I was with the TN ANG and holding down a full-time teaching & administrative positions in both a Christian school and an a Bible college (plus heading up my church's bus ministry, PA sound system operations, and its tape ministry, and trying to live a life "outside the realm of additional local church volunteerism [like AWANA's, weekly visitation, cleaning up the physical facilities of the church & school, etc."].).

    Bottom line for the advantages military service is something you can't always put down on paper.

    You have to learn to get along with all sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds and all sorts of ideas on all sorts of life's facets.

    Many 18 YO people aren't exposed to this kind of life if all they've ever done was to live at home with their parents and/or siblings in a rather sheltered environment comprised of hanging out with friends that share lots of things in common that have developed over years of knowing each other.

    OTOH, I do know that not every "Christian" home is all that we would want it to be. We live in an increasingly challenged environment that is hardly the same as it was 50-60 years ago.
    "Mayberry" seldom exists in today's world. Ward Cleaver isn't your typical father in many homes today--in fact, he sometimes isn't even IN the homes of today's youth.

    Drugs, violence, bullying, [email protected] lifestyles now have government sanction, and the list goes on.
    What was once merely on the far fringes of society is now practically IN CONTROL of our society.

    All these factors, plus trying to get an education that may or may not prove to be worth the cost and effort for many people who now are trying to start out on their own, maybe trying to raise a family as well can very easily put the "average Joe (or Jane)" in an almost no-win set of circumstances.

    Unfortunately, looking to the government to help you isn't much of an option for those who want to do right by the principles of God's Word.

    Thankfully there are still a few good churches and other ministry resources (online classes come to mind) that are out there.

    Finding the right mix for a person who seeks a vocational or bi-vocational position in a church is possible, but it takes a lot of determination--and a lot of "blood, sweat, tears, and, most of all prayers" to become what you believe God would have you to do while living this life here on earth.
     
  16. just-want-peace

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    Excellent post, W!
     
  17. Salty

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    I would recommend that if you want that "free" education, you are free to move to one of those countries.
     
  18. Crabtownboy

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    Actually quite a few Americans are going to these countries for their education. Why do we value education so little?
     
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    Professors value it greatly!
    Mean salary is 88 grand a year

    How about these 10 professors
     
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    What if all the people as a group gave out of their excess to those who were really in need ?
     

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