Costas steps in it again

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  1. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    I'm posting this in News/Current Events rather than Sports because the subject has spilled over into this category. NBC sportscaster Bob Costas has, just as the headline says, "stepped in it again," revealing his liberal leanings and making a mountain out of an ant hill (yeah, I know it's "mole hill" but this issue is even smaller than that, except in the minds of socialist politically correct extremists).


    Personally, I think this subject is asinine. Comparing this name and logo to the equivalent of using the "n" word is absolutely ludicrous. Why? Because the name was used by Native American themselves to identify their differences with the white Europeans they considered inferior to themselves. Ives Goddard, Senior Linguist in the Department of Anthropology at the National Museum of Natural History, explained in an exhaustively researched paper, indigenous peoples began calling themselves red:

    "The word redskin reflects a genuine Native American idiom that was used in several languages, where it grew out of an earlier established and more widespread use of 'red' and 'white' as racial labels. This terminology was developed by Native Americans to label categories of the new ethnic and political reality they confronted with the coming of the Europeans".

    Goddard writes that the English and French realized Native Americans were calling themselves "red" and "redskins" in the mid-1700s, but the English word "redskin" wasn't publicly used until a speech by President James Madison in 1807, welcoming tribal leaders from across America to the White House.

    There will be arguments that, no matter the origin of the word, it is "still an epithet." An epithet is in the eye of the beholder. Socialist activists coined the word "honky" in the 60s to try to create a derogatory term that would intimidate whites. It didn't work. Why? Because we refused to be insulted by it. It fell into disuse.

    And now, except for the name of the Washington NFL franchise and a few colleges that refuse to give in to the pressures to be "politically correct," the name "Redskins" lives on only as that, a sports logo. There is tremendous pressure to make the NFL franchise change its name.

    I have to wonder why. After all, the Cleveland Indians logo is far more insulting than the image of the noble warrior that serves as the Washington team's identity. People need to grow up. And Costas needs to shut up, and talk about sports. Politics isn't his strong suit.
     
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    He is looking for a way to be relevant. Nothing more.
     
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    Sorry, but if native Americans are insulted by "Redskins" we ought to believe them and change the name. It's just that simple.

    Now, I don't know if a large majority are in fact offended by it. But there is a vocal group that says they are.
     
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    More than 90 % of Native Americans say it is a stupid issue and they are not offended. Bottom line is the name is not going to get changed any time soon. The people that are making any kind of an issue out of it are very few idiots.
     
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    We had a similar issue in the upper Midwest. The University of North Dakota's team was called the "Fighting Sioux" after the tribe of native Americans in the area. The NCAA was threatening sanctions on the school so the state let the voters decide if the name should stay or if it should go. The voters told them to dump the name.

    The NBA Washington Bullets changed their name to the Washington Wizards.

    It's only a matter of time before the Redskins name is changed. Personally, it can't come soon enough for me. I'd keep the logo, though.
     
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    The owner said it is not going to happen. Ever and there is not real support for it. I remember what happened up north but that will not effect this. Small amounts of whiners can have an effect locally but this is a national team.
     
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    Washington should change the name, it is offensive, I don't care that supposedly 90% of native american folks are okay with it. That same number used to apply all sorts of dumb stuff we did.
     
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    The "offense' is subjective. Some folks will just have to get over their pettiness.
     
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    I'm insulted by the name "Browns" because I tan easily and consider it an assault and degradation of the response of my overactive pigmentation. Let's make Cleveland change their name to something less insulting to tan-prone people.

    Do you see how ridiculous political correctness can get? it isn't about race. It's about an image, and the image of the noble Native American warrior is one of strength, endurance, and duty. Now, like I said, you want to complain about something, make the Indians do something about Chief Wahoo.

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    Not because it's racist. Because it's just plain stupid.

    And while were at it, let's make Columbia (Mo.) Hickman High School change their name from the Kewpies.

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    That's an insult to all dolls.

    Great googly-moogly.
     
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    That's pretty much it. What we think is asinine is irrelevant to the folks who say they are offended by it. I'm sure they would agree that it's crazy to use such a name that they find derogatory.

    It matters to them.

    If enough press surrounds it and the NFL and the Redskin organization start to lose money and goodwill with the people, they'll be the Washington Renegades before you know it.

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    Almost no one is offended by this and the few that are are extreme liberals. And who is actually surprised they are offended by something this stupid.
     
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    They have a right to be offended by whatever they want. The free market system will determine whether the name remains. If it starts to receive enough negative press where it starts to affect the organization's as well as the NFL's bottom line, then it will change, stupid or not.
     
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    And we have a right to ignore their offense.

    Sounds like a threat to me. However, the franchise, and the logo, is 71 years old, having begun as the Boston Braves in 1932. At the time, that is also where the now-Atlanta franchise was located, and the NFL franchise played at the baseball team's stadium. In 1933, they moved to Fenway Park, and at the request of the MLB franchise, changed their name to "Redskiins" avoid confusion (though how anyone could confuse football with baseball, I'm not sure). In 1937 the team moved to Washington amid absolutely no complaints. In fact, as recently as this past may, four-fifths of the nation, in a USA Today poll, supported the team keeping its name.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-poll-finds-widespread-support-redskins-name

    So much for your expectations that the "free market" will force them to change.
     
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    Cleveland Browns are named Browns because of the last name of the founder of the team. I'm sure you know this.

    Redskins is absolutely about race.

    If native Americans are offended by it, then they should make their feelings known. It's not up to me to decide if an ethnic group is offended by a name, it's their prerogative.
     
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    bolded mine

    Rest assured the MSM will do their darndest to make sure that it stays an issue due to the over-sensitive minority that FEELS it is "offensive", something that liberals absolutely feast on. And because the MSM buys ink by the barrel, they are the ones who will be seen/heard to the virtual exclusion of the vast majority who are fine with it.

    Liberals feed on offenses like a cow on grass!:BangHead::BangHead:
     
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    Not quite. Not the founder, the first coach. They were supposed to be called the Panthers, but the owner of an extinct franchise in Cleveland, which had been known as the Panthers in the old All-American Football Conference, asserted his ownership rights, so the NFL franchise owner, Mickey McBride, named the team for his coach.

    They have made them known, but obviously without knowing the history of the term. If they don't know they're own history, they forfeit their rights to complain about a term then don't understand.
     
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    Somehow I fully expect this to become a major issue nationally and internationally and a face will be added to it. After all, we can't have one of the premier NFL teams in the league in our nation's capital being ethnically insensitive.

    Yeah that ink is a mighty thing. And the owners may just give in to move past it.

    I wonder how many northerners are offended by the New York Yankees?
     
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    A lot of things sound a certain way to you. Doesn't make it the case.

    What expectations? There you go again trying to state something as fact that wasn't even said.

    Those folks who approve of them keeping the name are part of the free market system too ya know? If the free market wants the name to stay, it will. If it doesn't , then it won't.
     
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    Premier???

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    You obviously haven't seen the Redskins play lately!

    Your wishful thinking won't make it so, Zaac. This "controversy" has been going on for 30 years, through three ownership groups, and no one is going to change the name.
     
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    Never say never on this issue.
     
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