Cotton , Mather and Winthrop

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  1. Rippon

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    It's interesting to see the wording of early Americans from their Bibles . In my examples the renderings are not KJV .

    John Cotton preached : " God's Promise To His Plantation " in 1630 . Here are some samplings .

    Pro. 31:14 - Daily bread may be sought from a far .

    1 Thess. 4:6 - God is an avenger of such things .

    Acts 16:9 - Come to us into Macedonia

    Acts 17:27 - that we might seek , and grope after the Lord

    Amos 9:15 - God's plantation is a flourishing plantation

    Mal. 4:2 - grow up in him as calves in the stall

    Jer. 2:21 - how then have you degenerated into a strange vine before me ?

    2 Sam. 7:7 - Why build you not me a house


    Cotton Mather , in a message from 1703 called " The Loss Of A Desirable Relative " cites Lam. 2:4 : He slew all the desirable of the eye .

    John Winthrop preached " A Model Of Christian Charity " in 1630 . Herwe are some examples .

    Ecc. 11:2 - for you know not what evil may come upon the land

    1 John 3:17 - He who has the world's goods and sees his brother in need , and shuts up his compassion from him , how dwells the love of God in him ?

    Matt. 7:12 - do the same to them also

    Is. 58:7 - to bring the poor that wander into your house

    Is. 58:8 - your health shall grow speedily ... the glory of the Lord shall embrace you

    Is. 58:19 - If you pour out your soul to the hungry , then shall your light spring out in darkness

    Judges 5:23 - Curse Meroshe because they came not to help the Lord

    Matt. 25:41 - Go, you cursed ...

    Matt. 25:42 - I was hungry , and you fed me not

    Eph. 4:16 - Christ by whom all the body being knit together by every joint for the furniture thereof

    2 Cor. 7:13 - therefore , we are comforted because you wwere comforted

    1 John 4:7 - Love comes of God


    Now , those of you who have a fascination for such things can determine if its the Geneva being cited or indeed the KJV before major revisions took place -- or some other possibility . Have at it . Speculations welcome .
     
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    John Cotton is thought by some to have assisted in the making of the 1640 Bay Psalm Book. John Cotton and possibly the other two may have had the original language skills to make their own translations from the Hebrew or Greek. The quotes you listed do not seem to follow either the Geneva Bible or Bishops' Bible completely. In some cases, they are closer to the Geneva than to the KJV. Were the quotes taken from an original edition of their writings or were they taken from a modern edition where the spelling might have been updated?


    Judges 5:23 - Curse Meroshe because they came not to help the Lord
    "curse the inhabitants thereof because they came not to help the Lord" (1560, 1599 Geneva)
    "curse the inhabitants thereof: because they came not to help the Lord" (1595 Bishops')
    "curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof: because they came not to the help of the LORD" (1611 KJV)

    2 Sam. 7:7 - Why build you not me a house
    "Why build ye not me an house" (1560, 1599 Geneva)
    "Why build ye not me an house" (1595 Bishops')
    "Why build ye not me an house" (1611 KJV)

    Pro. 31:14 - Daily bread may be sought from a far .
    she bringeth her food from afar (1560, 1599 Geneva)
    that bringeth her vitacles from afar" (1595 Bishops)
    she bringeth her food from afar (1611 KJV)

    Ecc. 11:2 - for you know not what evil may come upon the land
    for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth (1560, 1599 Geneva)
    for thou knowest not what misery shall come upon earth (1595 Bishops')
    "for thou knowest no what evil shall be upon the earth" (1611 KJV)

    Is. 58:7 - to bring the poor that wander into your house
    that thou bring the poor that wander unto thine house (1560, 1599 Geneva)
    to bring the poor wandering home into thy house (1595 Bishops')
    "that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house" (1611 KJV)

    Jer. 2:21 - how then have you degenerated into a strange vine before me ?
    "how then art thou turned unto me into the plant of a strange vine" (1560 Geneva)
    "how art thou turned then into a bitter unfruitful and strange grape" (1595 Bishops')
    "How then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?" (1611 KJV)

    Lam. 2:4 : He slew all the desirable of the eye .
    "and slew all that was pleasant to the eye" (1560 Geneva)
    "and every thing that was pleasant to see, he hath slain (1595 Bishops')
    "and slew all that were pleasant to the eye" (1611 KJV)

    Mal. 4:2 - grow up in him as calves in the stall
    "grow up as fat calves" (1560 Geneva)
    "and skip like fat calves" (1595 Bishops')
    "and grow up as calves of the stall" (1611 KJV)

    Matt. 7:12 - do the same to them also
    "even so do ye to them" (1560 Geneva)
    "do ye even so to them" (1595 Bishops')
    "do ye even so to them" (1611 KJV)

    Matt. 25:41 - Go, you cursed ...
    "Depart from me ye cursed" (1560 Geneva)
    "Depart from me, ye cursed" (1595 Bishops')
    "Depart from me, ye cursed" (1611 KJV)

    Matt. 25:42 - I was hungry , and you fed me not
    "For I was an hungred, & ye gave me no meat" (1560 Geneva)
    "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat (1595 Bishops')
    "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat" (1611 KJV)

    Acts 16:9 - Come to us into Macedonia
    "Come into Macedonia, and help us" (1560 Geneva)
    "Come into Macedonia, and help us" (1595 Bishops')
    "Come over into Macedonia, and help us" (1611 KJV)

    Acts 17:27 - that we might seek , and grope after the Lord
    "That they should seek the Lord, if so be they might have groped after him" (1560 Geneva)
    "That they should seek the Lord, if perhaps they might have felt" (1602 Bishops')
    "That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him" (1611 KJV)

    2 Cor. 7:13 - therefore , we are comforted because you were comforted
    "Therefore we were comforted, because ye were comforted" (1560 Geneva)
    "Therefore we are comforted in your comfort" (1595 Bishops')
    "Therefore we were comforted in your comfort" (1611 KJV)

    Eph. 4:16 - Christ by whom all the body being knit together by every joint for the furniture thereof
    "By whom all the body being couple and knit together by every joint, for the furniture thereof" (1560 Geneva)
    "In whom all the body being conventiently coupled, and knit together by every joint, yielding nourishment" (1595 Bishops')
    "From whom the whole body fitly jointed together, and compacted by that which every joint supplieth" (1611 KJV)

    1 Thess. 4:6 - God is an avenger of such things .
    "the Lord is a venger of all such things" (1560 Geneva)
    "the Lord is the venger of all such" (1595 Bishops')
    "the Lord is the avenger of all such" (1611 KJV)

    1 John 3:17 - He who has the world's goods and sees his brother in need , and shuts up his compassion from him , how dwells the love of God in him ?
    "And whosoever hath this world's good and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him" (1560 Geneva)
    "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his compassion from him: how dwelleth the love of God in him" (1595 Bishops')
    "But who so hath this world's good, and seeth his brother hath need, and shutteth up bowels of compassion from him; how dwelleth the love of God in him" (1611 KJV)

    1 John 4:7 - Love comes of God
    "for love cometh of God" (1560 Geneva)
    "for love cometh of God" (1595 Bishops')
    "for love is of God" (1611 KJV)
     

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