Could Ferguson become America's Arab Spring?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    With anarchist traveling not only to Ferguson, but numerous large cities throughout the states, with the intent of igniting a racial flash point ... do you think that what happens in Ferguson with the Grand Jury announcement could lead to bigger and uglier things here in America?

    My answer is I do not think so, as the majority of blacks in America have seen tons of progress in race relations, and equality in education and jobs. Sure we have a way to go yet, but it is not where things were fifty years ago, so I suspect that, while there may be some violence [spurred on by antagonist and anarchists, it will not last long], it will be short lived, and cooler heads will prevail.

    Still, I would like to hear from you folks. I ask this question because a few of my acquaintances think we are headed to doom and gloom via an Arab Spring uprising!
     
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    Incidents like what took place in Ferguson, and will soon take place, set the cause of eliminating racial discrimination back quite a bit.

    What can be gained that they don't already have?

    Rioting, with accompanying looting and physical assaults of the innocent, doesn't change the hearts of evil men but it can harden the hearts of good men.
     
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    Methinks that this is precisely what this current admin. is hoping for - WALA - martial law BEFORE '16 elections. :mad:
     
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    OP asks: "Could localized violence in Missouri wind up overthrowing the government of the United States?"

    Answer: No.
     
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    This I see as more plausible than the Ferguson riots overthrowing the government.
     
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    Good question. Ask them and you'd be surprised what they overwhelmingly say that runs contrary to what those in the majority think.
     
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    If Grand Jury deliberations are supposed to be secret, why is the National Guard being called in and a State of Emergency being declared?
     
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    The grand jury in session is known; the deliberations are secret.
     
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    But that's my point. If the deliberations are secret, who would know to call in the National Guard and to go ahead and declare a State of Emergency?

    If the deliberations are secret, why would the FBI be declaring that the decision "will likely" lead to violent protests?

    Is the grand jury no longer in session? Have they reached a decision and the powers that be know what it is?
     
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    I would assume that simply knowing what has been brought to light the last few months gives them an inclination that the officer will most likely be exonerated or marginally penalized. They have to get the ball rolling now regardless of the decision. Waiting for the publicly announced decision would be too late logistically speaking.
     
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    That I understand. And correct me if I'm wrong, but there has to be a State of Emergency declared in order to deploy the National Guard? Right?

    So if there is no ACTUAL emergency yet, can such a thing be legally done?

    If things are heading where they look to be heading, I don't fault them for getting the NG ready. But it just seems kinda weird.

    I makes me think what else can executives on a State or National level "anticipate" and call in the NG and suspending/change the functions of government?
     
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    Right but they haven't actually gone anywhere or have been ordered to deploy. The efforts right now most likely consist of prepping equipment and devising courses of action in a garrison environment. I don't think it's anything to get excited about.
     
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    The governor has called a state of emergency and intends to be ready to deploy the NG if needed. A wise move.
     
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    And why would you even suggest that the GJ marginally penalizes the officer? That is not the GJ's responsibility, to penalize!

    Secondly, from everything that has been leaked, especially the testimony of the six black neighbors, that supported the officers' story, and the radio conversations between Wilson and dispatch, it looks like he will be exonerated. That is unless the GJ is swayed by the fear of causing civil disobedience and riots across the nation!

    Then again, if the voices, being led by Sharpton and Obama ("stay the course") could be seen as jury tampering and or manipulation, intimidation and fear of causing a riot.

    This similar fear gripped the city of LA when OJ was on trial, and many here believe the jury was swayed by those fears. Even so, fate is an interesting thing, as OJ is now behind bars, and probably will die behind those bars! So, the family of the victim did get justice, they just had to wait for a while!
     
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    Interesting. They prove, to the jury's satisfaction, that there wasn't enough info to warrant convicting OJ of murder and the majority whine and cried because they were convinced he did it. Oh yes I remember it well.

    Yet there seems to be this air of disdain any time there is a national story where the majority thinks someone is innocent and Blacks overwhelmingly think the person is guilty.

    In one instance, some of you can't seem to rationalize how Blacks could possibly feel that someone is guilty no matter what the evidence.

    But past history shows the majority acting the same way.
     
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    Why is it liberals struggle to make legitimate comparisons.
     
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    You calling RD2 a liberal? Because he's the one with the flawed comparison.
     
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    Why is it that political hypocrisy often clouds the minds of folks in NEw MExico to the point where they can't understand legitimate comparisons?
     
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    You need to seriously get a hold of yourself. My entire point was that whatever happens, it is most likely going to be in the officer's favor if the National Guard is getting spun up.
     
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    You have to just ignore him and his histrionics most of the time. Because of a need to be one of the "kool kids", and to get pats on the back for saying what he thinks everyone else in the little politically conservative clique wants to say, he often types the first thing that comes into his mind no matter how baseless if he thinks it will generate some "that's rights" from the clique.
     

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