Counterfit Miracle Signs and Wonders Revival

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  1. The Biblicist

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    The "first" and "second" and "third" wave of Pentecostalism is one continuing counterfeit revival movement and it is easy to prove IF God's word is the final authority rather than personal subjective experience.

    1. None of their professed apostles and prophets living today have passed the Biblical tests of a prophet or apostles.

    2. Their unity is one of experiences not due to truth. Their experiences pass over denominational boundaries without affecting false doctrines, without uniting in truth - However, Christ said his kind of unity is a result of sanctifying by truth - thy word is truth ( Jn. 17:17-21).

    3. Their miracles signs and wonders confirm false doctrines and are thus "lying" wonders - 2 Thes. 2:9.

    4. Their worship is nothing but confusion and God is not the author of confusion in the worship services (1 Cor. 14:33).

    5. Their "love" is identical with the characteristics of true Biblical love EXCEPT their love does not "rejoice in truth" - 1 Cor. 13:6 - but breeds false doctrine and confusion.

    6. They reverse the Biblical command to subject experience to scripture as final authority and objective contextual based interpretation of the Scriptures to subjective based experiential interpretation of scripture - Isa. 8:19-20

    7. The vast majority embrace and preach "another gospel" of justification ultimatley inclusive of their own works - Gal. 1:8-9

    8. This charismatic last days apostolic like miracle, wonders and sign revival is predicted - Mt. 24:24-25; 2 Thes. 2:9.
     
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    The Greatest evidence and manifestation of the Holy Spirit is TRUTH.

    1. His chief title - "The Spirit OF TRUTH"
    2. His chief job - "to lead.....into all TRUTH"
    3. His chief distinction from demonic spirits "the Spirit OF TRUTH"
    4. The Chief description of His revelation - "thy word IS TRUTH"
    5. The Chief description of the church - "pillar and ground of THE TRUTH"
    6. The Description of Christ "I am...THE TRUTH"
    7. His chief job in regard to saints - "Sanctify them by thy TRUTH"
    8. What frees people from bondange - "ye shall know THE TRUTH and THE TRUTH shall set you free"

    The chief mark of the counterfiet last days miracle movement is "LYING" wonders and those who do not have a "love of the truth" who are led by the "spirit of ERROR" and who in the final analysis make subjective experience final authority over the objective Word of God - Isa. 8:19-20.
     
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    Define a counterfeit miracle. The miracle itself, not the method, or doctrine or people behind it. The miracle itself. What did it do?
     
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    It is not countfeit in power or appearance but is real power that obtains real results.

    Its counterfeit character is in its PURPOSE. God's purpose of miracles, signs and wonders is consistently repeated in scripture to be one thing - to confirm the prophets message to be from God. Therefore the test is that it harmonizes with God's already confirmed written revelation (Deut. 13:1-5; Isa. 8:19-20).

    However, Satans use of miracles signs and wonders is to COUNTERFEIT God's purpose for miracles by making people think what his prophets say comes from God, thus they are called "LYING" wonders. Hence, again the test of all miracle workers is that their message harmonizes with already confirmed written revelation.

    The first, second, and third wave modern day miracle movement has violated every single solitary Biblical test that their miracles are from God, as their doctrine is condemned by Scriptures, their confusion is condemned by Scriptures, their method of unity is condemned by Scriptures.
     
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    Slow down and let's define the actual miracle by example. Again I'm asking you for a moment, to leave out the motivation, doctrines and people out. Define a miracle first please. Pretend this happens. If a man gets healed from blindness in 2014, is that a miracle?
     
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    Can't you see what you are doing? You want to eliminate God's Word totally from this discussion and restrict it to a make believe SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE as the final authority for your doctrine. You are asking me to violate God's Word and use human reasoning and experience as the final court of appeal for truth and error.

    You don't want God's Word to be the final court of appeal but either your personal subjective experience or some made up personal objective experience.

    The religous court of Pharoah produced real miracles - they transformed an immaterial staff into a living snake. They turned water into flood. They reproduced more frogs.
     
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    If a son or daughter were healed of a deadly disease, would that be a good thing or an evil thing?
     
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    Well, all the hindoo's healed by their godman think it is a good thing, in so much that they offer him worship and devotion of their lives.
     
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    If your son or daughter were healed of a deadly disease, is it evil or good? It is a one word answer.
     
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    The Hindoos one word answer would be "yes"! Now would you claim his healing came from God?

    No one would deny their healing was "good" for them regardless of the source.

    Do you think the Roman Catholic charities are a "good" thing? Do you think the Mason's charities are a "good" thing? Do you think the clothing and feeding of the poor by cults is a "good" thing?
     
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    I do not care about Hindoos or Mason's or Catholics. I am asking you as a person, a man, a Christian, is it evil or good if your son or daughter were healed of a deadly disease, is it evil or good? It is a one word answer.
     
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    All of the so called healings that go on around the world by people who call themselves healers from God and hold healing services are fake and the whole thing is an abomination.
     
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    I'm so glad to have your reliable reports on the thousands of testimonies around the world of good things happening to sick people. When good things happen, we should warn others to avoid it.
     
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    My question is why aren't these healers visiting hospitals ? Healing service ? Definitely an abomination. Good call.
     
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    Such a common sense question, yet no takers!! Does make one wonder. ;):rolleyes::confused:
     
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    The CBC (Canadian TV and radio station) chose a "faith healer" to see whether or not their claims were true. But the one they chose was Benny Hinn. I suspect they chose him because of his great following and popularity.
    They assembled a team of physicians and journalists. They followed one of Hinn's world tours and independent of Hinn interviewed a number of those who were "healed" on each stop. What were they sick of before they were healed? What healing did they receive? Doctors examined each one. Names and addresses were recorded.
    A number of months later the same team went back to the same people and did a follow up. Of all the hundreds of people that received "healings" not one person was actually "healed." They still remained sick. They still had their cancers, diabetes, etc., and were quite disillusioned with their experience with "faith healers." Not one person was healed--not even one!!

    There are no faith healers today. Sometimes God answers specific prayer, and those that are sick may get well according to His will. But there is no guarantee. There were plenty of individuals that Paul could not heal, including himself and Timothy.

    Peter had the genuine gift of healing:
    Acts 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
    --Jerusalem was a big city. Then the people brought all their sick from all the cities surrounding Jerusalem. The scripture here is very clear.
    They were healed every one.

    Paraplegics, quadriplegics, people with the plague, leprosy, etc. He didn't turn away any one.
    This is the equivalent of a healer going into all the hospitals of a large city, going up and down the corridors and healing everyone in all the hospitals of any given city.
    Why doesn't anyone do that today?
    Why? Because no one has this gift today. Remember there were not hospitals in Peter's day. He did it out on the street--thousands of people.
     
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    What was the very purpose of EVERY miracle in the NT though?

    To attest and confirm that Jesus was/is the Messiah, the Lord, so how can a movement that is grounded and based upon false doctrines of demons have true miracles happening within it?
     
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    God can and still does do divine healings IF that is His will, but how you take the "leap of faith" to say that it means that all those teaching nonsense of the WoF/Prosperity/Domenion groups "are of God?"
     
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    Just because a miracle has been done, even healing, does not mean it is from God.

    "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Mat 24:24


    "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders," 2Th 2:9

    "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." —Revelation 13:14

    "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." —Revelation 16:14

    "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." —Revelation 19:20
     
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