Creation: 6 days or billions of years... or both?

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  1. beameup

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  2. Winman

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    That was an interesting video, and I believe I grasp the basic point.

    It is all perspective. It is like the flat earth folks, in a sense they are correct, the universe is revolving around the earth if you see the earth as stationary. It is a matter of perspective.

    I personally lean toward the modern theory that the speed of light is not a constant and was billions (yes, billions) of times faster just a few thousand years ago. This would explain how the earth can be aroudn 6000 solar years old, while being billions of years old using radiometric time. There is no contradiction or disagreement if properly understood.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96g4GGt1TJA
     
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    If you liked the video, I would suggest that you read his idea in his work "The Science of God" In his book, he explores the more precise mathematics of his ideas as related to relativity.

    As for the idea of the speed of light changing overtime, much has been done to counter that idea.
     
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    Well you might as well believe in winged Pegasus than to believe such nonsense!

    The speed of light was BILLIONS of times faster 6,000 years ago!

    What a bunch of poppycock!

    Did it slow down steadily or did it just come to a near complete HAULT in Adam's day?

    RIDICULOUS in the highest degree and such idiocy is what makes Christianity a laughing stock in the intellectual world.
     
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    According to the proponent of the c-decay theory (Setterfield) the decay stopped in 1960. Why 1960? I have no idea. Schroder's idea has much more "credibility", but of course I am slightly biased, because his mathematics "works".
     
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    Seems like I heard somewhere, with God all things are possible. So I'll not call something poppycock, but I won't say, "hey that solves it", I'll leave it to faith in my God. He's so good.
     
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    I've heard that that theory will be stubbornly opposed by "the establishment"
    just like those that opposed Copernicus and held the belief that the earth is
    the center of the universe. I mean, isn't Quantum Mechanics absolutely "ridiculous"?

    E=MC2?
     
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    I can appreciate Luke's comments, I wouldn't expect anything different from him, but I expect you to be a thinking person, or at least OPEN to new ideas.

    If you watch even the first few minutes of that video, you will see that Barry Setterfield quotes many astronomers that have reported a slowing of the speed of light. One astronomer said there have been 22 "coincidences" of light slowing down, and not one measurement showing light speeding up. Setterfield was not the first person to come up with this theory, many were writing articles on it going back to the 20s, 30s, and 40s.

    You don't have to agree, but to act as if there is no evidence for this is to be willingly blind.
     
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    Hey, this stuff is waaaaay over my head, but it makes sense. When Adam and Eve sinned, a curse fell over all creation, why wouldn't light be affected as well?

    The scriptures speak of oppositions of science falsely so called. So, we should expect science to oppose the scriptures.

    1 Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    Now, it is possible that God simply created the universe with light from many billions of light years distance visible on earth. This is the "appearance of age" argument. And that could be true, the day Adam and Eve were created they probaby looked 30 years old when they were only one day old.

    But I prefer to believe that true science will always agree with scripture. I believe when God said "Let there be light", that light appeared everywhere instantly. This would agree with a super fast speed of light. If the speed of light were billions of times faster, light would essentially appear everywhere instantly, even from stars billions of "solar" light years distant.

    By the way, there have been other physicists that have argued light was much faster in the past, and they have given higher figures than Setterfield.

    Time will tell.
     
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    Quantum mechanics does have an air of mystery, however, it has a stable almost century of accuracy in the predictions of its equations.

    Noting mysterious about Einsteins equation, simply a matter of equivalence of energy and matter. Matter is actually "cooled energy". Much like the different states of water dependent upon temperature.
     
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    You misunderstand me (or my intent) I truthfully do not agree with Setterfields theory of c-dcay, but I am not "poo pooing" you or him. I simply find more credibility in other explanations.
     
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    Well, here is a article at Setterfield's site about the History of Speed of Light Experiments.

    http://www.setterfield.org/000docs/cx1.html

    As I said, Setterfield was not nearly the first scientist to notice that speed of light measurements showed a consistent slowing. It had been noticed and written about by many before Setterfield. He was just the first to put all the data together and come up with a theory. Of course, like all scientific theories, it is not perfect. The Big Bang has evolved constantly since it was first proposed, so this is nothing unusual at all. The difference is, Setterfield's theory agrees with the Bible and creation, so it gets lots of "opposition", exactly what the scriptures predicted.
     
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    Winman, don't pretend that you speak on a level with thinking people. You are KJVO for heaven's sake!! HAHAHAHAHA!

    You literally just said that the speed of light slowed down by BILLIONS of times in a practical instant 6,000 years ago!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    No thinking person takes you seriously.

    I GUARANTEE you that not one of them believes it slowed 6,000 years ago!!

    :laugh::laugh:
     
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    I've been around the block several times on this issue around here and I still don't understand why people take Setterfield seriously. The guy isn't a competent scientist and his work hasn't been accepted by the larger community.

    The rate at which the speed of light will have had to have slowed down since the beginning of creation (in their view 8000 years ago) would be like stopping a mile long full loaded freight train going 55 mph in half a second. It just isn't possible. (and that's probably being very generous on the amount of speed it takes to stop that kind of force)

    Anyways, I completely agree the math works too well. In all the sciences the only one that really is the most pure is mathematics. It doesn't make statements about cosmology, origins, and such. Essentially it either is or isn't. There isn't much space between. :)
     
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    Winman, man, you've been pushing Setterfield around here for as long as I can remember and you never have anything other this site to back up your claims. I've interacted with you on this issue and you balk when provided evidence. :)

    Nobody with any level of credibility accepts Setterfield or his postulations. I'd love to interact with you if you wish. This might be a good forum to do so in.

    You can affirm the biblical record without having to stoop to affirm guys like Setterfield. You absolutely can. Maybe I've just talked with too many physicists, who are also believers, about this issue. ;)

    Just let me know if you want to have a serious conversation about this.
     
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    6 days about 10,000 years ago.
     
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    Well, as far as I am concered, I have no reason to NOT conclude that God created the entirity of His creation, exactally as he said He did in Genesis...7 days( including the rest)... and nights exatally as we view them today, about 10 thousand years ago.


    Praise the Lord
     
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    Except for the fact that there WAS NO LITERAL NIGHT AND DAY FOR THE FIRST FOUR DAYS OF CREATION BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SUN!

    :laugh:
     
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    And you think God cant deal with that!!??!!??
     

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