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Creationism vs. Evolution - Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by bound, Jan 14, 2008.

  1. The Scribe

    The Scribe New Member

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    BobRyan is correct. God created the Earth and evolution is junk science.
    His qualification is he reads the truth, the Bible.

    Junk Science


    It would be better for them to just turn to Christ.

    We don't need another false theory from the pit of hell.
     
  2. Darron Steele

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    Agreed -- but for most of them, I doubt that is likely.

    My point is that even if they are hard-set against believing the Bible, they still need to `go back to the drawing board.' A theory that humans are heavily-mutated apes is not realistic. That theory is long past its time to be discarded.
     
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  3. BobRyan

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    From Scribe's link --

    As I already noted - even atheist darwinist's themselves admit to the fraudulent practices of Heckle and the contrived "horse series" touted as "the best example of evolutionary transitional sequence" as "complete" and perfect. They themselves "lament" these fraudulent practices so flagrant and volumous in evolutionism.

    Note that the rock quary artifacts from Neander Quarry are well known among atheists - primarily for their fraudulent practices in hawking so called "discoveries" -
     
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  4. BobRyan

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    Have you seen the news reports of Presidential candidates questioned on evolutionism?

    Democrats questioned on this? Even once?

    Republicans?

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E

    Huckabee CNN Debate format -
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=n-BFEhkIujA&feature=related

    What did you think of the responses?

    O'Reilly says "you are a nut" if you do not believe humans are the descendants of primitive primates and challenges Huckabee to back off that or risk being called "a nut".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmb3TleQHJw&feature=related

    There 'seems to be' a perception among those in the Media and political elete that either Christians have abandoned basic Christianity OR Christians that actually believe Christianity are no longer "acceptable" in Government office or public venues.

    Why are there NO democratic candidates being asked to stand up and be counted?

    Seems like some Christian denominations need to stand up and hold a press conference saying "turns out we DO accept the bible account of Creation".

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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  5. BobRyan

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    It would appear that Democratic candidates have a firm position that they are more than happy to promote.

    They stand up to be counted -- even though nobody is really asking them to do this regarding evolution.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    The promotion of evolutionisms in schools - before the court and now in the Presidential campaigns is a thinly veiled attack on Christians in America by the extreme social left groups.
     
  7. Plain Old Bill

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    A good book to read about the evolution vs creation science would be "the Evolution Handbook", by Vance Ferrel.:thumbs:
     
  8. BobRyan

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    I just can't believe that it is now "politically correct" to claim that America's position is that Christians that believe the bible on Creation -- can no longer be elected to public office or hold job's in science. (No matter how untrue the claim is -- the fact that the claim is politically and socially acceptable to make is amazing)
     
  9. BobRyan

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    A great "debunking evolutionism" site dealing with the PBS document attacking Intelligent Design.

    http://www.judgingpbs.com/dfp-slide3.html

    I like the part where they list 700 PHD level scientists and engineers world wide who are in dissent from Darwinism.

    I also know of some scientists and Engineers at NASA who dissent as well - but are not in that list - it is not an exhuastive list.

    Hint - given a choice in a debate between ID and Atheist Darwinism -- I pick the ID evolutionists arguments.

    Given a choice in a debate between ID Evolutionists vs Creation Science -- I pick Creation Science.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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  10. BobRyan

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    By the the "Evolution Handbook" is 1,000 page book refuting evolution.:thumbs:
     
  12. Bro. James

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    Anti-evolution, theistic-evolution handbook: Book of Genesis. No charge, the Gideons will gladly give a copy.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
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    The laws of probability will tell you that this universe with all of its ordered complexity, could not have come into being by chance. To have that much order and complexity, the universe had to be designed by an intelligent creator. There is enough coded information in one human chromosome to
    fill a small library of books. This had to be designed by an
    intelligent creator.
    The probability against that happening by chance is very
    very high. It's like giving a chimpanzee a typewriter and letting him hit the keys at
    random. The probability against his being able to type a small library full of books by hitting keys at random is so high that for all
    practical purposes you can consider it impossible.
    Because of this, there are some scientists and mathematicians who are forced to
    believe in the existence of God by logic alone.
    In order for a single cell to live, all of the parts of the cell must be assembled before life starts. This involves 60,000 proteins that are assembled in roughly 100 different combinations. The probability that these complex groupings of proteins could have happened just by chance is extremely small. It is about 1 chance in 10 to the 4,478,296 power. The probability of a living cell being assembled just by chance is so small, that you may as well consider it to be impossible. This means that the probability that the living cell is created by an intelligent creator, that designed it, is extremely large. The probability that God created the living cell is 10 to the 4,478,296 power to 1.
    Example: 10 to the 6th power is one million, 10 to the 7th power is 10 million, 10 to the 8th power is 100 million, 10 to the 9th power is a billion; each time the power goes up by one, the number goes up by ten times as much. 10 to the 4,478,296 power, is a tremendously large number.
    [The probability of this was calculated by Fred Hoyle, famous astronomer and mathematician.]
    Natural selection will weed out inferior members of a species according to environmental requirements. But, this only leads to a species changing to another variety of the same species known as a subspecies; that is all that is observed in nature. [Crickets in dark caves become white with no eyes; also fish in caves.] But natural selection has not been observed to cause one species to change into another new species. Fish do not change into amphibians; amphibians do not change into reptiles; reptiles do not change into mammals. Natural selection cannot account for the origin of the different species. There are a million missing links in the fossil record as it has been found. The intermediate stages that would be necessary for fish to become amphibians, and reptiles to become mammals, have not been found in the fossils. The fossils show evidence that all of the species were originally created by God and they did not evolve into one another.
    They've also found human and dinosaur footprints in the same rock strata, in places like Turkmenia, in Nicaragua and near the palaxi river in the US.

    Noah's flood mixed up all the layers under it. So any fossils from beneath the sedimentary layer cannot be dated to the rock they are found in.
    They've also found human and dinosaur footprints in the same rock strata, in places like Turkmenia, in Nicaragua and near the palaxi river in the US.
     
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  14. cowboymatt

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    All I know is that I don't know how God did what he did, only that he did what he did.

    I come to this conclusion because Genesis 1 and the first part of 2 do not tell us much at all about the specifics of how God created the world, only that he did. Thus, I'm happy leaving it at that!
     
  15. BobRyan

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    I agree that we should accept the details God gives us in HIS Word - without concesions for atheist-darwinist-motivation and admit that we don't know the details that He has not given us.

    Here is what "God" said -

    In Gen 1-2:3 we have the 7 "Evenings and mornings" and what happened on each one as each were given their ordinal "Day" value. "First day..second day.. third day...". From sound principles of exegesis it is easy to tell what message Moses was trying to convey to the reader.

    "FOR in SIX Days the LORD MADE the heavens

    Heavens, Earth and Sea are "at a minimum" a reference to this earth all life on earth, the sun and the moon (two great lights made on day 4, one day AFTER plants were made).

    Basically by sticking to "just the explicit details" of scripture and saying "I don't know" to all the rest we STILL have atheist-darwinism totally excluded for Christians who accept good solid science AND the Word of God.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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  16. BobRyan

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    It is easily agreed that we "read what the Bible says and accept it and leave it at that".

    but when the Bible says "FOR in SIX days the LORD MADE" and when it says "Thus EVENING and Morning were the SIXTH day" and we respond "not really sure I believe it was six days" -- we are not "accepting what the bible says and leaving it at that".

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
  17. BobRyan

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    It is often the case that the agenda for atheist darwinism can be seen more clearly in it's advanced stages in Europe than in "sleepy America".

    Here is an article showing how the Christian church in Sweden may be waking up "too late" to do anything about it -

    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/andrew_brown/2007/10/gods_honest_truth.html

    For now it appears that private schools are exempt -
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7oph07uGUVJhxg1JYVL5ET8zdhw

    Under communism they would not be exempt. kinda curious to watch the socialist states getting close to the communist - atheist-darwinist "ideal"
     
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