Crucifixion Happened ON Wednesday

GE
I ask for no respect; you may despise me as much as you like. I have a Judge; His Name is Jesus Christ the Righteous. There is not one verse of Scripture on the subject, that does not imply the Lord would and should have been raised on the Sabbath, not even one. I am certainly no great Greek scholar, by any stretch, but I have arrived at unavoidable consequences, consummated in Mt28:1. That verse does not stand alone against all other Scripture, but is found in perfect harmony.

And the plural "Sabbaths" is the easiest of aspects in this regard. It simply is the plural for the singular, and I won't waste anyone's time on explaining something explained masterly by virtually all scholars worthy to be called scholars. see my books where I refer to some of them - indeed the best - one by one.

 

This time I will ask the question directly.

What Scriptures foretold that Jesus would rise on the Sabbath? Nor are there any Scriptures of which I'm aware that "confirms He did rise on the Sabbath". And as the "firstfruits" He would have presented Himself to the LORD (the Father) "after the Sabbath" in accordance with Lev. 23:6, as I've previously stated.

Just "saying this", as you seem to be doing, does not make it so.

Ed

 

GE
Sunday.

 

GE
Ja, this is what I have written 15 volumes on - which you may read from the web (http://www.biblestudents.co.za). But, "In the beginning God ...." "spake", "concerning the Seventh Day, THUS: And God (not us) the Seventh Day from all His works (not ours) RESTED". If not this verse speaks of Jesus Christ, show me the Scripture that does! For God NEVER 'rested', but rested He "in the SON"; God NEVER "THUS, SPAKE", but "in the SON". If the Scriptures there right at its beginning speaks of God's creating from nothingness, darkness and chaos, to "the Seventh Day" and "Rest" - "The Rest" which is His - it speaks of salvation already -- salvation in and through Christ "in these last days" - the Christian era. First, the word "Rest", already tells me (I pary for and to you the same) of Jesus' resurrection and triumph over nothingness, darkness and chaos, on the Seventh Day. "Therefore", says the Scriptures (not I) "the Seventh Day is the Sabbath Day (the Day of Rest) of the LORD your God".
I must post now or loose this post ...

 

I have posted many times on the Scriptures indicating the Seventh Day Sabbath for to be the day of Jesus' resurrection. read them. Read of the first and second giving of the Ten Commandments. Read of Athaliah's reign destroyed on the Sabbath and the Son of the King enthroned. Read of the prophets' emphasis on the goings in and the goings out to be marked well! Read of Isaiah 58 how that Sabbath-prophecy foretells how Christ would but lifted high over all the earth in resurrection from the dead (on the Sabbath Day - yea, even because of His enjoyment of the Sabbath Day). There is NO 'Sabbath-Scripture' that does not first of all apply to Christ and to Him in resurrection and exaltation and glory on the Sabbath Day of GOD'S APPOINTMENT! "The Sabbath was made for Man" - first Jesus Christ the God Man, and ONLY in Him and through Him for us-men! etc. Time to post!

 

Show me anything like this with reference to the First Day of the week! And I haven't even started with the New Testament. See the one-ness of the Word of God in the Old and New Testaments - and you see the Sabbath God's chosen day.
I think now of the dating of the New Testament books, what this single factor means for God's Sabbath Day. Don't think Paul's are the last remarks on the Sabbath in the New Testament; don't think of his Letters as the Church's final decision regarding the Sabbath Day. No, the latest books of the Earliest Church should do that, and thos books are the Gospels. If you inquire what the New testament in the last analysis has to say on the Sabbath, dont consult the Epistles for final, but the Gospels! Because they were written years after the other documents and after the church had given much thought to the teachings of Jesus. And what do you find concerning the Sunday in the Gospels? That on Sunday Jesus appeared to a few just like He would for forty days more continue to do. That on the Sabbath He indeed did rise from the dead from which Truth all freeing-Truth flows.

 

Here with us Christmas has just begun (12 pm), How happy the Church doesn't make of Christmas, a Scripture-thing. So everybody, happy Christmas! See you later!

 

Then, case closed. Have a blessed Christmas!

 

The Day of the Firstfruits was the First day of the Week.

The Pentecost was always the First day of the week.

Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week as the Firstfruits were waved on Sundays..

You have no proof that the Firstfruits day was not the first day of the week.

 

GE

Yes! No! Yes! No! brings nobody further, Eliyahu. But I have given you the Scriptures, and you have no word in answer. I'll give them again, as short as I can,
Jesus was buried on Friday afternoon. The Passover lamb was buried on the day before the Day of First Sheaf; So, First Sheaf had to have been on Saturday.
Jesus was buried on Friday, Nisan 15, 'a Great Day that day was', says John. There was an evening before - when Joseph received Jesus' body and did not let it hang on the tree all that night, but removed it, and that very same day, buried it, according to the Scriptures! These events comprised the whole of Friday.
The day before, from at the table, when Jesus' hour to glorify God finally arrived, until at 3 pm He gave the ghost, and everybody deserted the scene of the cross .... until the Jews to save face, asked Pilate to have the bodies removed for the prospective day would be their Great Day of deliverance: Friday. So on Thursday Jesus had been crucified and died, and on Friday was buried, and on Saturday raised from the dead again!

 

Jesus Christ our Passover is the Passover of God, from God - He is the Institution of it - the institution of the Passover does not originate in the Old Dispensation; God's true Passover belongs to us, Christians, before it belongs to anybody else. Look for its chronology in the New Testament; indeeed in Jesus Christ and His history in fact. "The third day I finish (the works of My Father)" -- these are Jesus' own words, establishing both the Passover of God and the Sabbath Day of the LORD your God. May God help you to understand these things, for my attempts are weak.

 

That is fine, I guess, but that is not why I offered it. It was honest, and my momma always taught me when I was growin' up to respect older people. So I just try and respect all the old guys and gals I meet up with.

Now back to the serious stuff, as much as I'm able to stay awake for.

Ed

 

Once again, it is fine to "say it". How about some Scripture that says what you are contending, here? Is that a fair request?

I have looked up virtually every verse I could find in about any 'standard' version that used the words "in the Sabbath" or "on the Sabbath", on Bible Gateway. There are exactly three renderings of the phrase "in the sabbath" in any standard versions, that I found. The YLT and KJV render Ex. 31:15 thusly, and the KJV also renders Ezek. 46:4 in this manner. The NIV, NASB, AMP, ESV, CEV, NKJV, DARBY, ASV, NLV, NIRV, NLT, HCSB, WE, and TNIV never once use this phrase. That is 14 versions that never once use this exact phrase.

Yet most of the 16 versions I checked use the exact phrase "on the Sabbath" an average of about 50 times with a few exceptions, the NLV which renders this as "On the day of Rest" (61); YLT (24) and WE (31).

And I would add two more things. "In the very light of its being", as referring to "the Sabbath" is merely a "theological construct" "from the get-go". There is no such wording even remotely close to this, anywhere in Scripture, to my knowledge.

And not one of the 54 uses of "on the sabbath" found in the version I use, the NKJV, even remotely refers to Jesus and/or a resurrection "on the sabbath", by any stretch. (I checked them all, in their context.) It simply isn't found there and Scripture does not teach this, regardless of what you are saying, or how many you keep saying it, the 15 books to your credit, notwithstanding.

FTR, I have read some of what you have written, but not all 15 books, certainly. It's kinda tough to run a piece of farm equipment, and read a book at the same time, not to mention extremely dangerous.

Sorry, but I will not be able to post any more, tonight. I'm simply getting too tired.

Ed

 

If I take a bit too long, I geth logged off. Have just lost a post on 'epiphohskoushei'

Thanks for your great effort, Ed!
I'll be back with extracts rather than typed responses - because of this logging-off trouble.

 

Lydingsweek


Die laaste sewe dae in die lewe van Jesus​

Voorlaaste optrede in Juda
Neem die maand Abib waar!
Op, na Jerusalem!
Die Neerdaling het begin!
Aankoms 8 Vrydag
“Waar Lasarus gebly het”Jh12:1 9 Sabbat “Ses dae voor”
“Die volgende dag”Jh12:12 10 Sondag 5 ” ”
“Die volgende dag”Mk11:12 11 Maandag 4 ” ”
“Oor twee dae gekruisig”Mt26:212 Dinsdag 3 ” ”
“Oor twee dae Fees”Mk14:1 13 Woensdag 2 ” ”
“Voorbereiding van Pasga”Jh19:14 14 Donderdag “Voor die Fees”
Die dag het beginLk22:7 Jh13:1
Toe die uur gekom hetLk22:14
Gedurende die maaltyd
Dit was nag Jh13:30
Oor DonkerspruitJh18:1
Plek van die wynpersMk14:32
Verraai
Annas
Kajafas
Deur sy eie verloën
Pilatus
Herodus
Van Pontius na Pilatus
Oorgelewer 6 uur Jh19:14
Weggelei
Gekruisig die derde uur - 9 vm
Duisternis sesde uur
Gestorwe negende uur
Teruggegaan
“Groot dag”Jh19:31 15 Nisan Vrydag “Fees”
Die Jode Voorbereiding
Josef Hierna
Die Vroue het gevolg
Neergelê “namiddag”
Teruggegaan
“Sabbats”Mt28:1 16 Nisan Eerste Gerf Beweeg
Met seël én wag “oggend ná al hulle voorbereidings”
“Nieteenstaande* laat Sabbatmiddag….”

…. OPSTANDING!​

 

“Eerste Dag” 17 Nisan
“Toe die Sabbat verby was … gaan koop”Mk16:1.
“Nog vroeë donkerte …Maria sien die klip”J20:1
Petrus en Johannes
“Diep nag … speserye”L24:1-10
Petrus verwonderd

“Voor dagbreek”Mk16:2
“Vlugvan die graf af weg”Mk16:8
“maar Maria, het bly staan”J20:11[1]
“sien sy Jesus”J20:14
vir die tuinier aan (sonop**)J20:15
“Hy het vroeg op die Eerste Dag eerste aan Maria Magdalena
verskyn”Mk16:9

“Verduidelik[2] die engel aan die (ander) vroue….”Mt28:1-5
“Gaan hulle … met groot blydskap”Mt28:8
“Kom Jesus hulle teë”Mt28:8


En die dissipels?Mk16:10
En die wag?Mt28:11-15

Sondagnamiddag en aandMk16:12-14



* “Voorbereidings ten spyte … Sabbats …”Mt27:62-28:4
**Sonop

[1] Jh20:11-18 pas presies tussen Mk16:8 en 9 in.

[2] Die Opstanding, Mt28:1, gebeur eerste, maar word laaste, “vertel” of “verduidelik”.

 

Lk23:54, Mt28:1

"epi-phohs-k-ous-ehi"
'epi' = emphasis, middle, leaning, in, with etc.
'phohs' = light, day
'ousa' = being, is (Participle)
'ous-ehi' = in, with, on (Dative)

=

'opse' = fullness, ending, in, with, on

 

You allege Jesus uttered Lk13:31-32 on Palm Sunday, while 31a expressly states, “The same day …”. Now which day was that? It was one of those days Jesus STILL “went through the villages, teaching, and journeying towards Jerusalem”. You will remember that before Jesus’ final Jerusalem-pilgrimage, He first withdrew to near the wilderness to the town of Ephraim – Jn11:54. Therefore John is the much better option from where to start Jesus’ LAST journey to Jerusalem; and in fact John gives us clearest possible indication of WHEN that was, verses 1 and 12 of chapter 12, “Six days before Passover Feast ... the next day ...”

Mk10:32 From Ephraim Jesus started out towards Jerusalem. How long it took, cannot be said, but we do know the arrival was on a Friday, Nisan 8, Jn11:56. Visualise this journey in these Scriptures, Lk19:12, 28, 36, and cf. with Ps71:20, Mt12:40, Ps68:21, 25, 71:20, 85:7 – ‘soodzein’; ‘epistrefoh’, ‘poreuomai’. You will notice a certain descending already here!

Mk11:1-11, Mt21:1-11, and Lk19:28-44 chronologically follows immediately on Jn12:12. If you got this, the rest is very simple! Only follow the time-indications of the four Gospels themselves. It is remarkable how each day is not only recognisable from a definitive evening-beginning, but a clear middle or morning-episode as well as its late-day ending!

I send you a table to this end ...