Cruise Missiles SLAM Libya! Why Not Darfur??

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  1. righteousdude2

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    Obama ordered the release of cruise missiles, along with Britain, and French warplanes, to begin phase one of a "no fly zone".

    See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/19/operation-odyssey-dawn-us_n_838009.html

    My question is, are we truly concerned about the "innocent victims in Libya" or the OIL?

    If we truly cared about the loss of life and innocent victims being slaughtered, why has the UN, NATO, and the US not launched cruise missiles into Darfur? Are there not innocent citizens being slaughtered by the thousands there every day?

    The glaring difference between Dafur and Libya: Libya has OIL, Darfur has "sand!" :tear:

    What say you????

    Shalom,

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    Man, this President cant do anything right for somemof ya'll. He waits for an international concensus before moving and is accused of inaction. He acts and is said to be over reacting...oy vey!
     
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    >The glaring difference between Dafur and Libya: Libya has OIL, Darfur has "sand!

    That's the reason. No one cares if Sand Muslims kill each other. At least no one who can do anything about it.
     
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    Translation: Obama's handlers have seen his poll numbers and beg him to get off the golf course and do something.
     
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    No, Oba-Mao couldn't care less about oil. Libya is just a bigger attention grabber.

    My question is, if this doesn't work, how is he going to blame it on Bush?
     
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    Does Darfur threaten us in any way? Is there any reason beyond stopping their civil war for the US to do anything except try to send in humanitarian aid?

    Libya on the other hand has been a thorn in the side of US interests for years. The US has been waiting years for a chance to take out Qudaffy without seeming to be the agressor and now not only do we get rid of him, but we also get to say "the French did it!" :laugh:

    Not a bad deal in my estimation.
     
  7. righteousdude2

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    Not True

    I am not criticizing Obama. I am just questioning the world values. Darfur has been spilling the blood of innocents for years now, and now one seems to care.

    When I saw the news that we launched missiles on Libya, I was pleasantly surprized, and give Obama a thumbs up for taking action and making a decision. It is better than NO decision!

    I just think our nations leaders are hypocritcal. Darfur is bleeding and we go after Libya. Why not both???
     
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    >Does Darfur threaten us in any way?

    How many of the dozens of countries we have invaded since WW2 were an honest threat to the US? I can't think of any.

    I'd love to see the seven western states send a letter of resignation from the USA with a CC to the UN. I'd even take southern Cal.
     
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    I don't think so.

    It could be because his muslim "friends" haven't sanction the U.S. "saving lives" of the innocent in Darfur, but they have in Libya.

    So the real question may be, why not?

    You'll have to look in that direction to get your answer.

    Why didn't he allow the U.S. to be a leader in this effort or why did he ride the fence so song, even to the point of being ridiculed for his indecisiveness by our real allies?

    Same reason. Afraid of the reaction of his muslim "friends".

    In the Middle east, Obama can only be trusted to act in the interest of his muslim "friends". Can't take a chance on offending them. Can't afford to be seen as taking the slightest action that might be seen as anti-muslim.

    OTOH Working against the interests of the U.S. is just fine. He doesn't care what we think.
     
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    That may be part of it, but I think there's another reason. Remember, Obama thinks we should be "citizens of the WORLD." He waited for this to be a big UN issue, not a USA issue. Big difference.
     
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    It must be Bush's fault since Libya has been a thorn in the flesh for years. Why didn't Bush send in troop in Dec of '08? We really could have surprised them on the morning of the 25th
     
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    I say it is simply amazing how much you hate Obama. You won't give him a break regardless of what he does. And your post claiming you were not criticizing Obama, give me a break, please.
     
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    Okay!

    Your observation is duly noted. And, yes, I don't like Obama. You must have some prophetic abilities hiding within you? However, I'm not alone in that category!

    Too bad you're so caught up in him that you can't see how others feel.

    Surprise, surprise: You are in a fading majority CTB, and by 2012, you'll be posting your negative feelings about the new Republican POTUS! :smilewinkgrin:

    Please let me hang on to this little piece of hope :praying:

    Shalom,

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    One has reason to be cynical about this new conflict.

    I was interested in seeing the comments about the Sudan and in particular the Darfur region ethnic cleansing by other regions. The north Sudan is predominately Arab/Muslim whilst the South/Darfur is predominately Negro/Christian. So the Sudan conflict is more about religion and racial issues than anything else.

    With the Libyan scenario, what happens when Mr Gaddafi gains sanctuary in some neighbouring country sympathetic to his plight. Does Libya tear itself apart by conflicting political groups, descending into a civil war, or will the people then turn on their liberators as seen in recent times elsewhere. In fact, does the UN have a solid premeditated campaign strategy or will it jus be a reactive, namby pamby wasteful and costly exercise in human lives and monies for a no win situation for anyone?
     
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    My big problem is that Obama didn't consult Congress prior to taking military action.
     
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    Is the Muslim brotherhood in Darfur ? Will the League of Arab nations or the Arab bloc really controlling the UN and before whom the US genuflects approve such a move ?

    For the record I would rather have Gaddafi (sp?) than someone the Muslim Brotherhood or the UN-Arab clique approves of.
     
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    Where does the executive branch get the authority to bomb other nations?

    Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. constitution says that congress shall have the power, . . .

    "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water" Source

    Q108. "Who has the power to declare war?"

    A. There is a short answer and a much longer answer. The short answer is that the Constitution clearly grants the Congress the power to declare war, in Article 1, Section 8. This power is not shared with anyone, including the President.

    The President, however, is just as clearly made the Commander in Chief of all of the armed forces, in Article 2, Section 2. In this role, the President has the ability to defend the nation or to take military action without involving the Congress directly, and the President's role as "C-in-C" is often part of the reason for that.

    What this has resulted in is the essential ability of the President to order forces into hostilities to repel invasion or counter an attack, without a formal declaration of war. The conduct of war is the domain of the President.

    These two distinct roles, that of the Congress and that of the President, bring up the interesting and important questions: can the United States be "at war" without a declaration of war? If we can, then what is the point of a declaration? If not, then what do we call hostilities without a formal declaration?

    So Libya must have either attacked us or invaded us for the POTUS to have authorization to use cruise missles (bombing) against it. When did this all happen? I must have missed it.
     
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    Very Good Reply and Info

    As always, Poncho, you have brought up the Constitutionality issues, and there are no answers to you points.

    At least Obama now knows what it felt like to be in Bushes own shoes?
     
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    Obama is not the one I'm worried about. He chose to go to bed with dogs it should come as no surprise to him if he wakes up with fleas. It's the United States of America I'm worried about.

    When did we amend the constitution to allow the United Nations to have authority over our congress in matters of war? Are we or are we not a sovereign nation capable of making those choices on our own? Speaking of our congress, where has it been in all this?
     
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  20. righteousdude2

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    We Both Have the Same Concerns....

    We are both bothered and concerned about the nation as a whole. If the nation goes under so do folks like you and I, and while you may not be concerned about Obama, I am. He is destroying this nation with all of his entitlement and socialist like programs.

    What is so scary about Obama is that he is not looking out for the best interests of this nation. And you are right, where is the Congress on this latest missile attack? Bush would have been raked over the coals for such a decision. In Obama's case, he seemed to be disengaged with Libya, and when he made a decision, it was like the nation sighed a breath of relief that he finally did something, anything! That is great strategy, if that is what he was doing?

    Complacency will be our ruin! :tonofbricks:
     

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