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  1. GordonSlocum

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    C- Conditional Salvation

    Mark 1:14. Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15. and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

    Luke 15:7. "I tell you that in the same way, there will be {more} joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

    Acts 17: 30. "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all {people} everywhere should repent, (notice the all people everywhere)

    II Peter 3: 9. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

    Acts 16: 30. and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
    31. They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

    Romans 4:5. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

    Romans 10:9. that if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10. for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

    I Corinthians 1:21. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not {come to} know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

    Notice that those who believe were saved not those that were saved believed. Regeneration always follows Faith.


    U- Unlimited Atonement

    John 1: 4. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6. There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. (Don't miss the words "all might")

    John 3:16. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17. "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. (Don't miss the word "might be saved")
    John 12:32. "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.";

    John 12:47. "If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.



    [Note: The reason we know for sure that Atonement is universal is the condition placed in the statement above "might be saved" and the context clearly supports the argument that the word world means all mankind. This of course is contrary to the TULIP philosophy which is not in agreement with the Scripture]


    I Timothy 2: 6. who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony {given} at the proper time.

    I Timothy 4:10. For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.



    [If you had no other verse in the Bible to prove unlimited atonement this would be enough. When Christ died on the cross he died for all mankind and the atonement is for all and is only effective when a person believes. The provision is there and the only way to be in the family of God is to believe.]


    Hebrews 2:9. But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, {namely,} Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

    II Peter 2:1. But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

    I John 2: 2. and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for {those of} the whole world


    R- Resistible Grace

    Acts 28: 24. Some were being persuaded by the things spoken, but others would not believe.

    Acts 17:0. "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all {people} everywhere should repent, [not all will repent because they will resist - Grace can be resisted]

    John 5:40. and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

    II Peter 3:9. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. [the statement implies resistance]

    Luke 7:30. But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.

    Acts 7:51. "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

    Matthew 23:37. "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

    John 7:17. "If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or {whether} I speak from Myself.

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    E - Eternal Security

    John 10:9. "My Father, who has given {them} to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch {them} out of the Father's hand. 30. "I and the Father are one."

    John 6:39. "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day
    John 14:16. "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

    II Corinthians 1: 22. who also sealed us and gave {us} the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

    Ephesians 4:30. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption
    Philippians 1: 6. {For I am} confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

    Hebrews 7:25. Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

    I Peter 1: 5. who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    D- Delivered from being Dead in Trespasses and sin

    1. And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2. in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5. even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6. and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly {places} in Christ Jesus, 7. so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, {salvation is} the gift of God; 9. not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.


    Romans 5: 20. The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21. so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


    Romans 6:6. knowing this, that our old self was crucified with {Him,} in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

    7. for he who has died is freed from sin. 11. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 22. But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.23. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


    Romans 8: 10. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.


    II Corinthians 5: 19. namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

    I Corinthians 15:56. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;

    57. but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


    Galatians 3:22. But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe


    Ephesians 1: 19. namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
     
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    Gordon,

    LOVE IT, Bro!

    Can I copy it?

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  4. GordonSlocum

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    Yes you can / may use it, copy it.
     
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    Excellent :thumbs:
     
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    I copied it too GS;
    Hope you don't mind.
     
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    Nice job -- actually, there's a lot that could be added to support all those points, but what a great start!
     
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    I like it, too, Gordon...

    ...but you left a few relevant scriptures out.
     
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    Spread it around, Sunday School, Sermons, Write a book on it.
     
  10. AAA

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    context matters!

    Very well said...

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    Cured was to counter the Calvinist doctrine...

    Now what is the point of this segment, since the calvinist would agree with you on this point?
     
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    Really! How So?
     
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    How can salvation be conditional but security be eternal?
     
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    ok....please stop being funny..

    "How so?" does not answer my question about the point that you were trying to make in the segment of "eternal security", since the calvinist agree with you on this one point of OSAS...

    Thanks
     
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    Because the Bible says so?
     
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    Only if one changes the meanings of words to suit his theology.

    For example, if one has been repeatedly reminded that "saved" and "regenerated" are not equivalent, and that one continues to base his arguments on equivalence between "saved" and "regenerated", then that one is bound to find all sorts of things in the Bible that are not really there.
     
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    Believe and you will be saved sure sounds like a condition.

    No man can pluck them from My Father's hand sure sounds like eternal security.

    I don't see much room for one's interpretation.
     
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    Are you saying one can be saved...and not regenerated, or regenerated and not saved?
     
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    As we are want to say in my circle of friends....

    That'll preach brother! CURED. I like it.
     
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    Just believe what the Bible Teaches
     
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