D L Moody on 10 Commandments and Sabbath

A Baptist web site has published the text of D L Moody's sermon on the Ten Commandments at this link...

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

To be honest - I have not seen this before.

When Moody gets to the 4th commandment - he starts out the topic like this...

What do you think about his position on this commandment?

What do you think about his position on the Ten Commandments?

What do you think about his "literal" acceptance of the "creation fact"?

In Christ,

Bob

 

Every time the subject of the 10 commandments has been discussed so far there has always been a very strong representation of the opinion that Moody quotes and then stands opposed to -

The interesting thing is that those who have stood with Moody's position on this board have been (I think 100%) "Sabbatarian".

Of course - after reading Moody's quote - one might also want to include him in that group.

There have been three positions with respect to the commandments.

#1. They were nailed to the cross and ended when the NT church started so there is no point in quoting anything found in Christ the Creator's own Law.

A variation of this is that the law continues unchanged after the cross - but then ends for "the individual" once they are Baptized.

#2. They were revised/edited down to 9. They continue to define sin and show us our need of salvation.

#3. Christ the Creator's Law continues as Moody states, the 7th day Sabbath was observed by mankind in Eden as Moody states, the moral decay chain Moody identifies is valid.

Since I was not aware that Moody took these positions before - I will attempt to refrain from stating this position by itself. I will state it in the form of a quote from Moody.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Yes you are missing the fact that the Lev 23 "annual sabbaths" that were "based on sacrifices that point to Christ" were the "types" that "predicted" the future suffering and death of Christ.

The weekly "memorial" Sabbath that was in effect "in Eden" (as Moody observes) was not a type or a "prediction" that perfect sinless obedient Adam would fail, would be totally depraved, would doom the human race to hell and would need a Savior.

Christ the Creator makes the day holy as the 7th day of the literal week. For in SIX days the LORD MADE... (mankind's week would be SIX days were it not for Christ the Creator's Sabbath).

So Moody is endorsing this "Sabbath from Eden" and "Sabbath for all mankind" and "Sabbath continued" theology.

The position you have posted is the one that he is objecting to - however the position you posted is probably the dominant one on this board.

I find that interesting.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Certainly it is true that many historically kept Sunday as the Sabbath - and used the Sabbath commandment as the "force" behind the day - rather than some "church tradition".

That approach certainly runs contrary to the argument most make here - which is that the Ten commandments are dead and especially - Christ the Creator's Memorial of Creation week - the 7th day Sabbath.

However the Approach Moody takes is to observe that the 7th day (not the first) was ketp in Eden was explicit at Sinai and remains to this day as binding.

From the same quote Moody said --

Interesting how Moody has "his OWN Day of rest" that "just so happens" to be Christ's day.

In Christ,

Bob

 

This board is relatively quiet on this sujbect. Am I the only one that did not know that Moody took this position on the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath???

In Christ,

Bob

 

Given D L Moody's insistence that this commandment of Christ is valid - and yet "subject to change" as man would have it --

Another quote comes to mind.

The Catholic commentary on the Baltimore catechism post
Vatican ii explains that keeping Sunday is in obedience to the Sabbath commandment. Catholics attend "in obedience to the third commandment of God 'remember thou keep holy the Lord's day'"
((from "The Faith Explained" pg 241.))

page 243

In Christ,

Bob

 

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That is correct.

And Moody addressed that point when he said ..

My point in quoting that is to show that when I make the same argument - it is in fact - Moody's argument. If it makes someone on this board feel better to only view it as a quote from Moody - that is fine with me.

In either case - the argument against abolishing the commandment is being stated.

If Moody's position is not allowed here - then someone should say so.

Indeed - those who try to "have it both ways are holding to a double-standard" as you say.

But my question would be that Moody is not quite in that camp.

Moody "appears" to take the position that the commandment is still authorotative - but it has been "edited" so that instead of "God sanctifying the day" mankind may pick any day out of seven and sanctify their own - and this would be in perfect keeping with the commandment.

(Not an argument you see people make very often here).

I would "hope" the people here that abolish the Commands of God - would at least admit that "editing them" is out of the question and that they are either "IN" or "out".

However Moody makes an interesting point about this command being observed in Eden. (Again making the same argument that I have been making).

In Christ,

Bob

 

I don't know who that is directed to - or what brought that on - but the premise seems to be that Baptists like Ben that happen to be Sabbath keepers (Seventh-day Baptist I think) - are not welcome if they state their beliefs on the 4th commandment in the way that Moody has stated his belief on that same subject.

Or is it your claim that a Baptist can not actually keep the 4th commandment and still be considered a Baptist??

In Christ,

Bob

 

Some baptists are Arminian and Some Calvinist - I am Arminian - should I be "allowed" to post in favor of the Arminian view on the "ALL OTHER denominations section?" - OR do you suggest it should be held to a popular vote and the minority position should not be allowed for non-Baptist to post in favor of that view?

How strange is that Eric??

In this case - it is actually D.L Moody that is being quoted. Let me guess - "Don't quote D,L Moody if he takes a POV on some doctrine on which the majority here do not STILL side with him"

How strange indeed!

Are you familiar with the teaching on the priesthood of all believers? How would that square with the kind of sensorship you propose for positions HELD by Baptists (by entire Baptist denominations - such as the 7th-day Baptists) and even by key Christian leaders like Moody?

(Remember that historically the Adventsts were not Sabbath keeping at all until the 7th-day Baptists brought the point up to them!)

Imagine the change if all the Baptists listened to the 7th-day Baptists as did the Adventists!

Have you considered adopting a less RC-in-the-dark-ages view of tolerance for Bible doctrines where you have another POV?

In Christ,

Bob

 

The question is whether Moody's arguments are valid regarding the 4th commandment.

1. He claims it was kept in Eden - as I have claimed on this board.

2. HE claims it is STILL binding and has lost none of its authority for Christians - as I have cliamed.

3. He claims that HIS selection for the Sabbath - is the SAME 7th day Friday-Saturday Sabbath that Christ the Creator Chose in Eden.. I have made the same claim about my own accpetance of that day.

4. HE implies that the day is "editable" and that we may each "sanctify" our own day rather than following the SPECIFIC day that Christ the Creator made Holy. I reject that idea and some on this board that do not keep Sabbath have AT LEAST agreed on THIS point with me.

5. HE claims that a disregard of this commandment of Christ will errode our family structure and nation.

(I claim that disregard will open the door to evolutionism - which opens the door to abortion rights and the gay agenda -- given enough time. I also claim that evilutionism undermines the Bible, the Gospel and our view of God).

So are you objecting to my highlight of HIS points in 1-3 or do you object to my highlight of HIS point in point-4 where OTHERS here (non-Sabbath keepers) agree that the commandments are NOT editable?

In Christ,

Bob