Dangerous healthcare provisions hidden in stimulus

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Todays opinion. Tomorrows fact? The fact is tomorrow is too late to find out the opinion was true!

But go ahead you socialist believers..... who substitute government for God. You who want the government to care for you..... they will like an overwhelmed parent with too many kids.... and leave you hungry and in wet diapers, cause you were too irresponsible to take responsibility for yourselves!

You will serve the one who provides for you: Is it God that you trust or is the god whom you trust the government?

 

Equating my support for a single payer health insurance with lack of trust in God is very distorted thinking.

Is having health insurance now that I pay for and depending on my employer to provide part of it a lack of trust in God and trusting in my employer instead? No!

Single payer health insurance is not free - people will still pay "premiums' just like we do now - they will still be deducted from one's paycheck just as is done now by employers. And based on single payer health insurance plans in the rest of the industrialized world there is every reason to expect those "premiums" to be lower than they are now when employers deduct them - unless one has some very, very low coverage health insurance currently.

 

In the interest of fairness...

But go ahead you capitalist believers...who substitute money for God. You who trust in the money you earn....what happens when you lose your self-sufficiency? When you become injured on the job...tough luck! You were too irresponsible not to be born wealthier!

You will serve the one who provides for you: Is it God that you trust, or is the god whom you trust your paycheck and your "responsibility"?

(Note: I'm not saying that the single-payer method is best or that government is always the solution. I simply think that you are being extreme here.)

 

Sorry liberals do not have any credibility on this issue. Daschel wrote in his book that rather than be up front and have it legitimately debated this should be slid in on another bill where it will not be so obvious. That is exactly what is happening from this dishonest administration.

 

This is only one of the results of electing these liberals... Many of us knew this kind of thing was coming, and that most (as it turns out) voters didn't care, but believed the govt. would take care of them.......

Interesting that in a democracy, (NOT a republic) we can choose the judgment God gives us..

 

LOL !!! :thumbs:

 

Actually, we practice what the bible teaches about money. Yer comparison fails, except to stereotype & slander.

 

The way it works is that the hospital submits a bill for services to the insurance company.

The insurance company receives the bill and pays out a pre-arranged percentage of it to the hospital.

The insurance company send you the first bill that was submitted to them and tells you that everythings been paid.
Of course, you are left with the impression that they paid out that rather large sum.
They didn't, just a small portion of it.

It really doesn't matter if you find duplicates or errors, it won't change the amount the insurance company pays out.

In my office, we submit a bill of ~$1400 for a in-office procedure and generally receive about $300 from the insurance companies.

Rob

 

Welcome to the New World Order. You have been , "Takened again!

 

Oh, I forgot. You're holy.

 

That's why I always look at the EOB. Only on one occasion can I remember a bill that was paid within 10 dollars of the "sticker price."

 

Hidden provision in Stimulus bill! Stimulus Rations Health Care for Senior Citizens! Take Action!

Call your Representatives and Senators and Demand this Provision be Removed!

February 11, 2009


Over the past 48 hours, specific details have unfolded about a little-known provision hidden deep within the 1500-page Obama-Reid-Pelosi "stimulus" bill (H.R..1). This provision allows the federal government to create a health information monopoly, a giant stepping stone toward nationalizing health-care.

Betsy McCaughey, best known for her 1994 article, "No Exit," which exposed the details of Hillary-Care and opened the door to its glorious defeat, has done it again! Just two days ago, her latest column, "Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan," specifically detailed exactly what the intentionally vague stimulus bill language means for all Americans. She confirms that the provisions flesh out the health care strategy which fallen HHS Secretary Nominee Tom Daschle laid out in his 2008 book called "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis."

The "stimulus" health care plan begins with Congress endorsing a very broad, not-well-defined concept in the form of a bill, and then bureaucrats, lobbyists, and unelected officials write and decide the "details."

The stimulus health care "details" are as follows:


Rations medical treatments, doctor's appointments, procedures, prescriptions, etc. by setting up a federal database to track and monitor every American's medical records and activity.
Creates a new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, which will monitor all treatments of every American in order to ensure that your medical procedures are deemed "cost effective" to the federal government. The ultimate goal here is to have a single-payer system where medical procedures you elect to have are viewed as a "cost" to the government, since the health care market will ultimately be taxpayer-funded.
Harms senior citizens and the elderly the most. The Federal Council will be granted authority to intervene and prohibit a patient from receiving a particular health service on the basis that it is not "cost effective." This means that the government is more likely to deny an elderly person a service than a younger person, because the younger person will benefit a greater number of years from the medical treatment than the elderly person.
Imposes penalties on hospitals and doctors that are not "meaningful users," meaning that those who do not abide by the mandates will be punished. The stimulus bill does not specify what sort of penalties will apply, and this is intentional. Obama will leave these controversial decisions up to the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Of all the problematic provisions contained within the Stimulus bill, this is arguably the most dangerous. This provision is Hillary-Care in disguise, stealthily and covertly inserted into a massive spending bill. Worst of all, time is running out! The "stimulus" has now passed both the House and Senate and is headed to conference where the differences in language will be resolved, but we are receiving reports that the liberal Congressional Majority is aiming to cut Republican conferees out of the House-Senate negotiations! This cannot stand!


Take Action:

Call, email, fax, and blog. Urge your Representative and Senators to start being vocal on this issue and demand it be taken out of the conference report.
Write press releases and op-eds for your local newspapers so that the media is aware that there is intense opposition to this provision.
Focus your lobbying efforts on those Members of Congress who are medical doctors (MDs). Tell them they need to go to the floor and explain to the American people why electronically monitoring their medical records and treatments is, ultimately, deadly.

Congressional Medical Doctors to Target:
Senator Tom Coburn, MD (R-OK)
Senator John Barrasso, MD (R-WY)
Rep. Paul Broun, MD (R-GA)
Rep. Michael Burgess, MD (R-TX)
Rep. Bill Cassidy, MD (R-LA)
Rep. John Fleming, MD (R-LA)
Rep. Phil Gingrey, MD (R-GA)
Rep. Parker Griffith, MD (D-AL)
Rep. Ron Paul, MD (R-TX)
Rep. Tom Price, MD (R-GA)
Rep. Phil Roe, MD (R-TN)

Further Reading:
Human Events articles (2)

Cantor Confirms Beginning of Nationalized Healthcare in Stimulus Bill
Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

WSJ article
A Health-Tech Monopoly


Capitol Switchboard: (202) 224-3121

 

The conference report has already passed both houses of Congress. Calling about it won't affect it now.

 

Right. That's why the Dems didn't want anyone to know what is in the bill.

They didn't want the details of the bill to get out to the voting public until after it was passed and too late for us to do anything about it.

More of that change thing that Obama was talking about I suppose.

Another example of the superior ethics of the Democrats I guess.

 

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Nope. More stereotyping.

 

Everyone on the hill knew what was in that bill, don't believe your parties lies that everyone blindly voted. They knew the original bill and could see live as changes were being made. Technology is a great tool and you can't blame others if you don't use it.


I can picture that, "I have a bill in the sealed envelope to my right, I will now open voting to the floor"... That is so funny...

 

They won't call, they would loose their victim status if they actually tried discussing something. They prefer to let others do what they want them fold their arms and say, "you didn't chase me down to get my input. I was hiding in the other office the entire time".

 

Do those who are against this believe yet that our constitutional right to liberty is being slowly but surely stripped away, or is liberty something bigger, deeper, and this is light in comparison to the type of liberty being spoken of here?

I ask this because many people accuse the government of taking away our liberty with stuff like this.

If one truly believes they are, that the government is running amuck all over the constitution, are you willing to live by the constitution yourself?

Because the constitution says this:

Now, when I look around the world and then look at us, I say to myself "We're lucky! We have liberty and security, so much more freedom!"

When I look at just the United States, I say "Wow. Compared to the ideal and the desires of our founding fathers, we're going backwards and becoming like other nations, letting the government take over every aspect of our lives."

And how much more personal can they get than making your last "bend over and cough" results part of their business?

What point do we have to reach before we're supposed to do more than whimper and whine?

On the other hand, is the constitution biblical? Should we just obey those who have the rule over us? Should we really overthrow them if they go against the constitution we hold to so dearly?

Just some thoughts on all this. I look forward to hearing people's opinions.

 

I would not advocate a violent revolution. I would, however, advocate resistance. I would advocate educating one'self in the ways of our constitution. I would advocate weighing out where our tax dollars go, and searching our hearts to see if that's what God would want our money to be spent on.

I figure I have to give over twice as much to the gov't as I give to the church. My money goes to feed people who won't work, to fund abortions, to bomb countries, to fight developing our own resources, I struggle greatly inside wondering if I'm going to face this at the Great White Throne.

But the other side realizes the Jews were taxed by Rome. And the Roman Empire was not a Godly nation.

So I guess submission is the order of the day, with a side of prayer for the tyrants to have short reigns.