Daniel 9:24-27

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    What are your views on this passage? What is your own approach to Daniel’s Prophecy of Seventy Weeks? How does your view compare with the various approaches that have been suggested by individual commentators and other eschatological/theological systems. What are the details pertaining to the fulfillment of this prophecy, the starting time and event for the prophecy, the division of the weeks within the prophecy, and the purpose of the prophecy.
     
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    I'm pretty much in agreement with this article:

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    "The entire "seven-year period of great tribulation" theory is a grand illusion. It may go down in history as the biggest evangelical misinterpretation of the 20th century! It can be compared to a big, fat hot air balloon. Inside, there is no substance, only air. As soon as Daniel 9:27 is understood correctly and the pin of truth is inserted, the balloon will pop. The fact is that no text in the Bible teaches any "seven-year period of great tribulation." If you look for it, you will end up like Ponce de Leon, who tirelessly searched for the famous fountain of youth but never found it."
     
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    Daniel 9:24-27: The Seventy Weeks​


    This passage gives God’s timetable for restoring Israel and overthrowing the Gentile powers. The occasion of the 70 weeks was Daniel’s prayer that God would have mercy on Israel (vv. 3-20). The vision of the 70 weeks is God’s answer (vv. 21-23). In this vision, God reveals to Daniel the time schedule and major events which will lead to the establishment of Israel’s Messianic kingdom.

    The people to whom the 70 weeks pertains (Daniel 9:24)

    It has to do with “thy people” (referring to Daniel’s people, the Jews) and “thy holy city” (referring to Jerusalem).

    The purpose of the 70 weeks (Daniel 9:24)

    The purpose is to complete God’s promises to and covenants with and prophecies about Israel.

    The length of time of the 70 weeks

    The Hebrew term for weeks here (shebuah) simply means “sevens.” The context must determine whether it is a week of days or of years. For the following reasons, we know that it is weeks of years.

    1. The weeks which have already been fulfilled demonstrate these are weeks of years rather than of days. Daniel 9:25 says that there will be 69 weeks between the rebuilding of the temple and Jerusalem until the coming of Messiah. There is some disagreement about exactly when this period starts and ends, but we know there were less than 500 years between the command to rebuild Jerusalem and the coming of Christ. 69 weeks of years would be 483 years. Thus, we see that the part of the prophecy that has already been fulfilled demands that we interpret the weeks as weeks of years. It is reasonable to believe that the 70th week shall also be a week of years, or a seven-year period.

    2. The concept of weeks of years was familiar to Jewish thinking (Leviticus 25:3-9). In Leviticus 25, God commanded that Israel think in terms of seven-year periods or weeks of years. Every seventh year the land was to rest.

    3. At the time of the vision, Daniel had been thinking in terms of weeks of years. In Daniel 9:2, he was thinking about Jeremiah’s prophecy that Israel would be taken captive for 70 years. We find this prophecy in Jeremiah 25:11-12. If we look at 2 Chronicles 36:21, we find that the reason for the 70 years was because Israel had not obeyed God to keep the seventh-year sabbath commanded in Leviticus 25. Thus, Daniel was thinking in terms of weeks of years when the vision of Daniel 9 was given.

    (Way of Life Advanced Bible Studies Series: Understanding Bible Prophecy, pg. 170-171)
     
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    Excerpt:

    "The Bible says, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." Daniel 9:27...... According to the popular interpretation of Daniel 9:27, the "he" refers to a future Antichrist who will eventually make a covenant, or peace treaty, with the Jews during the final seven years of tribulation. In the "midst" of this tribulation, this Antichrist will cause "the sacrifice … to cease." In order for the sacrifices to cease, they must have been restarted. Therefore, according to countless modern interpreters, there must be a rebuilt third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem....."

    " The following 10 points provide logical and convincing evidence that the "one week" spoken of in Daniel 9:27 does not apply to any future seven-year period of tribulation at all. Rather, this great prophetic period has already been definitely fulfilled in the past!

    1) The entire prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 covers a period of "seventy weeks." This period applies to one complete, sequential block of time. This prophecy would start during the Persian period and would end during the time of the Messiah.


    2) Logic requires that the 70th week follow immediately after the 69th week. If it does not, then it cannot properly be called the 70th week!

    3) It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and the 70th week. No hint of this gap is found in the prophecy itself. There is no gap between the first 7 weeks and the following 62 weeks. Why insert one between the 69th and the 70th week?

    4) Daniel 9:27 says nothing about a seven-year period of tribulation, or about any Antichrist.

    5) The focus of this prophecy is the Messiah, not the Antichrist. Modern interpreters have applied "the people of the prince" who would come to "destroy the city and the sanctuary" (verse 26) to the Antichrist. Yet the text does not say this. In the past, that sentence has been applied to the Romans, who under Prince Titus did "destroy the city and the sanctuary" in A.D. 70.

    6) "He shall confirm the covenant." Jesus Christ came "to confirm the promises made unto the fathers." Romans 15:8. Nowhere in the Bible is Antichrist ever said to make or confirm a covenant with anyone! The word "covenant" always applies to the Messiah, never to the Antichrist!

    7) "He shall confirm the covenant with many." Jesus said, "This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many." Matthew 26:28. Jesus used the same words, because He knew that He was fulfilling Daniel 9:27!

    8) "In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." The 70th week was from A.D. 27 to 34. After three and a half years of ministry, Christ died in A.D. 31, "in the midst [middle] of the week." At the moment of His death, "the veil of the temple was rent [torn] in twain from the top to the bottom." Matthew 27:51. This act of God signified that all animal sacrifices had at that moment ceased to be of value. The Great Sacrifice had been offered!

    9) "For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate." Jesus plainly applied this "abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (Matthew 24:15) to the time when His followers were to flee from Jerusalem before the destruction of the second temple in A.D. 70. Jesus told His 12 disciples, "When ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies [the Roman armies led by Prince Titus], then know that its desolation is near." Luke 21:20, emphasis added. Those disciples did "see" those very events. Christ’s very last words to the Pharisees from inside the second temple were, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." Matthew 23:38. Thus Daniel’s prophecy about Jerusalem becoming "desolate" was exactly fulfilled in A.D. 70! Jesus understood this perfectly.

    10) Gabriel said that the 70-week prophecy specifically applied to the Jewish people (Daniel 9:24). From A.D. 27 to A.D. 34, the disciples went only "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:6. At the end of the 70 weeks, in the year A.D. 34, Stephen was stoned by the Jewish Sanhedrin (Acts chapter 7). Then the gospel began to go to the Gentiles. In Acts chapter 9, Saul became Paul, "the apostle of the Gentiles." Romans 11:13. Then in Acts chapter 10, God gave Peter a vision revealing that it was now time to preach the gospel to the Gentiles (Acts 10:1-28). Read also Acts 13:46.

    The explosive evidence is overwhelming! Point by point, the events of the 70th week have already been fulfilled in the past! The following eight words found in Daniel 9:27: "confirm...covenant...many...midst...sacrifice...cease... abominations...desolate": all find a perfect fulfillment in Jesus Christ and in early Christian history.

    One reason why the Jewish nation as a whole failed to receive its Messiah was because its leaders and scholars failed to correctly interpret the 70-week prophecy. They failed to see Jesus Christ as the Messiah who died in the midst of the 70th week. The same thing is happening today! Amazingly, sincere Christian scholars are now misinterpreting the very same prophecy.
     
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    Continuation of previous article Daniel 9:24-27: The Seventy Weeks:

    The Divisions of the 70 weeks

    The 70 weeks or 490 years that complete God’s program with Israel are divided into three distinct periods. There are seven weeks (49 years), and 62 weeks (434 years), and the final week (7 years).

    1. During the first 7 weeks (49 years) Jerusalem was rebuilt in troublous times. This is described in the book of Nehemiah. “The going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem is the decree of Artaxerxes as recorded in Nehemiah 2. During the next forty-nine years, the city was rebuilt” (Ironside).

    2. The next 62 weeks (434 years) extended from the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah. “Then, 434 years later, our Lord rode into Jerusalem and was acclaimed by the multitudes as King, the Son of David, but a few days later was rejected and crucified. Thus, Messiah was cut off” (Ironside).

    3. Between the 69th and 70th week is a period of undetermined time during which the Messiah is cut off (rejected and crucified), Jerusalem is destroyed by Roman armies (A.D. 70), and there are desolations until the end. The Hebrew word translated “desolation” is also translated “destruction” (Hosea 2:12). It refers to the fact that Jerusalem has been destroyed and overrun repeatedly throughout the interim period between the 69th and 70th weeks. Unforeseen by Daniel is the interlude of the church age, during which time the Messiah is resurrected and ascends back to Heaven to oversee the calling out of a people for His name from among the nations (Luke 19:11-27; Acts 15:14-18). “The angel-revealer said to Daniel, ‘unto the end of the war desolations are determined’ (9:26). This gives the whole history of Palestine for the past nineteen hundred years. It has been a great battleground and a scene of almost unparalleled desolation because Israel knew not the time of her visitation. Their times are not in progress now. God is doing another work. While the Jews are blinded, in part, and are wanderers over the face of the earth, He is gathering out the church, the body of Christ, a heavenly company, who will reign with Christ when He establishes His kingdom of righteousness upon the earth” (Ironside).

    4. The 70th week (the final seven years).

    a. The prince of the revived Roman Empire will make a covenant with Israel. That the Antichrist arises from the revived Roman Empire is evident by the fact that he is called the prince of the people who destroyed Jerusalem after Messiah’s death; this was Rome.

    b. In the middle of the seven years, the Antichrist will desecrate the Jewish temple (compare Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4). There will be desolations until Christ returns to overthrow the Antichrist (compare Matthew 24:16-21; Revelation 11:2). The abomination that makes desolate marks the middle of the seven years.

    c. By comparing Matthew 24:15, we see that Jesus places this event in the Tribulation period. This abomination of desolation probably refers to the occasion when the Antichrist will set himself up as god (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

    (Way of Life Advanced Bible Studies Series: Understanding Bible Prophecy, pg. 171-172)
     
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    Your question is really involved but in short the 70 weeks is 70 weeks of years when god is dealing with Israel and 69 of those weeks until messiah is cut off which was sometime around the triumphal entry and the rejection by the leaders and Israel was cut off from God. At that time the clock for the weeks stopped and the Lord is not dealing with the church.

    The last week will start its time counting again when the church is removed and during the 7 year tribulation, God will again turn to Israel and Israel will be ushered back in to God's kingdom where it is said all Israel will be saved. That week will end at the end of the 7 years when Christ will return to set up His kingdom and rule from earth for 1000 years.
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:.........good post
     
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    kyredneck to help me get a firm grasp on what I believe on this subject (I agree with all that you posted by the way) can you please classify this viewpoint you just stated. How would you define this type of view on eschatology - I assume it would either be post or amil - and do you recommend any good book or reading on this view.
     
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    Hello spopey, welcome to the BB. IMO, it does not conflict with several, maybe even most, of the eschatology views. I wish I knew who the author of the article was and what his eschatology is. I first was introduced to this [correct] interpretation (I was raised premil dispensational) years ago with Phillip Mauro's book, 'The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation' (written 1921). This book is found online at both historicist and preterist sites, but I'm certain that postmil and/or amil would find no problems with it either:

    http://www.historicism.com/mauro/mauro70.htm

    http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1921_mauro_seventy-weeks.html
     
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    http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/pdf/1921_mauro_seventyweeks.pdf
     
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    Great minds think alike.:laugh: You beat me to it.
     
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    GRASSHOPPAH! It's always good to see you around.
     
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    Good stuff.

    Thanks for this good and helpful entry.

    I cannot be dogmatic because for the past few years I have been working through a transitory phase in my eschatology.

    I was raised a dispensationalist but I am quite certain that this is very wrong.

    So I have found myself working through amill and post mill.

    I am leaning heavily toward postmill because I am pretty well convinced that the dozens and dozens and dozens of prophecies throughout the Old Testament and many in the New Testament foretell a world overtaken by the people of God via the Gospel of Christ.

    I am a partial preterist.

    What I find is that the differences between historic pre mill and amill and post mill are significant but not huge.

    But the differences between all three of those classical eschatological positions and this brand new (began in 1830) doctrine of dispensational pretribulational premillennialism is vast.
     
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    Heheh, my humble advise to you is to remain that way. :) I actually see merit in all the views (when it comes to the Apocalypse).

    Ditto

    I've yet to read a complete book on the postmil position and only a small one on the amil.

    Amen to that. Do you expect a 'general incoming' (revival) of Jews to the Church in the future?

    Ditto

    Perhaps you can start a thread on that someday and share what you've learned? :)

    IMO, has much to do with the VAST amounts of sheer sensationalistic specualtion contained within the latter.
     
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    The 70 "weeks of years" need not be contiguous; to believe so is placing human "logic" above God's wisdom.
    The 69 "weeks of years" ended when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey.
    Luke 19:24 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong
    unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

    This can be proven, as the exact date of the (3rd edict) was to rebuild the Temple AND the wall,
    and we have a record of that issued by Artaxerxes Longimanus.

    Now, I believe that there was a "transition period" in which the Gospel was to the Jews and this ended when Paul
    stated that he would no longer preach the Gospel to the Jews, but to the Gentiles. We are now in the dispensation
    of the Church
    which will end at the Rapture. The Rapture may very well occur before the Tribulation (I suspect the timing of Ezek. 38-39).
    At that point another "transition period" will involve the immigration of every last Jew on the planet to Israel and the "dry bones"
    will again live -- the Mosiac Law reestablished and Temple worship reinstituted and resumption of "the Church at Jerusalem".
    Romans 11:25-27 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
    that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,
    There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them,
    when I shall take away their sins.
    ie: second coming.

    Remember, the believers in Jerusalem under the 12 disciples still practiced the Mosiac Law... and they will "once again". :)
    Matt 24:20 pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day
    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
    no, nor ever shall be.
    [see Revelation] :)
     
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    Having ears they do not hear & having eyes they do no see. How can so many well-intentioned people close their eyes to the obvious fulfillment of Daniel 9:24-27 in the past. I read many passage of Scripture posted by those who claim it is already fulfilled & so much opinion by futurists.
     
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    How could the fulfilled Old Law become unfulfilled? Christ fulfilled all of it. How can the sacrifices resume with God's blessing once Christ's sacrifice fulfilled them? That is as unScriptural a doctrine as I have ever heard. Read Hebrews through & understand that there can never again be any offering acceptable to God other than that of His Son. The doctrine of a reestablishment of the Mosaic Law & sacrifices is an insult to Christ as the fulfillment of the Old Law. You claim God's wisdom, but this sounds more like a doctrine of devils. The covenant of Grace is an everlasting covenant that will never be put on hold for an abominable doctrine. ALL of the promises to Abraham were fulfilled in Christ, not in some 1,000yr state of Israel. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment. How can so many not see that? Your position reminds me of the theory of evolution. It requires a number of "transition" periods & "dispensations" that cannot be found in Scripture. Premil dispensationalism needs time; lots & lots of time injected into Scripture to work.

    But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more." Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin. (Heb 10:12-18)

    Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:16-29)
     
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    Where was it ever said they will be reinstated "with God's blessing"?
     
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    Uhhhh, is it not premil dispie doctrine that God will reestablish Israel as a ruling nation; including the reestablishment of the temple sacrifices? Do you not believe the New Covenant will take a 1000yr time-out while the Old Covenant is re-instituted? That's what I was taught for 30yrs. How can it be God's will without His blessings? This doctrine is contradicts Scripture & itself.
     
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