Daniel's 4 Beasts

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    7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

    7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

    7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

    7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

    7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    There are additional details contained in several other visions given to Daniel that pertain to the dominions [kingdoms] of the Gentiles and their relationship to Israel.

    This vision of the four beasts parallels the image of the monolith and the seven dominions of the beast of the book of Revelation. [Daniel 7; Revelation 17]

    This perspective is slightly different and gives some important details for understanding what will take place at the time of the end.

    The fourth beast is presented as a combination of the fourth and fifth segments of the monolith given in Daniel's vision and represents the 6th and 7th heads [dominions, kingdoms] of the beast of Revelation 9, 11, 13 and 17.

    Modification here implies that there will be two future dominions ruled by the same king of the north (little horn) who is represented by the iron in both. [Daniel 7, 8:9, 8:23, 11:36, 12:7]

    The dominions are ruled by the same king yet will be different positions for him as one is expanded to form the next. He will rule the first and then will share power with 10 other kings in the second expanded dominion.

    The term "beast" is applied to describe the succession of four separate consecutive Gentile dominions [kingdoms] and the related human king "position" of each in the 7th chapter of Daniel.

    These are symbolic "animal" beasts that represent human kingdoms, and are not the same as two fallen angelics who are also described as "beasts" in the book of Revelation. These two angelic beasts are associated with human kingdoms, but they are not the kingdoms themselves. [Daniel 7:23; Revelation 13:1-2]

    The lion [neo-Babylonian], bear[Persian], leopard [Grecian], and final nondescript beast are the same as the head of gold, arms and chest of silver, belly and thighs of bronze, and combination of the iron and the clay.

    Daniel is told that the first three beasts would have their dominions taken away, but would continue to exist in part even until the time of the end.

    Each would be absorbed by the next in succession, but all three would remain in the same geographical area and have a presence associated with the dominion of the fourth beast. [Daniel 7:12]

    The book of Revelation describes the final head [dominion] of the beast possessing exactly the same make up of the mouth of a lion, the feet of a bear, and the body of a leopard. [Revelation 13 .... symbolizing three of his ancient Middle Eastern kingdoms]

    Abaddon-Apollyon's [satan's beast from the abyss .... Revelation 9:11; 17:8] seventh and final dominion will include the combined geographical territories and the ancestry of the inhabitants of these three ancient Middle Eastern dominions of the past. [Revelation 17:8]

    Abaddon-Apollyon ruled over these Gentile king positions of the ancient neo-Babylonian, Persian, and Grecian dominions located in the Middle East. He will rule over two future consecutive dominions through the human little horn at the time of the end.

    Satan's design of Abaddon-Apollyon's incarnation in the little horn will be the final "antichrist" .... the son of perdition, the man of lawlessness. He will rule the Middle East and will cause great tribulation for Israel and most of the world.

    Daniel views the little horn immediately after he is told that Alexander's empire would be divided. [Daniel 8:9]

    The vision then moves directly to the end of this present age at the latter end of Gentile rule in the Middle East. [Daniel 8:8-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45: 12:7]

    The times of the kingdoms of the Gentiles will end when the transgressors have reached the limits of the Lord's patience. A king of fierce [bold] countenance will appear who will be stronger and dominant over the other ten kings who will rule with him.

    The Apostle Paul said that the day of the Lord will not be come until the great apostasy of the transgressing Gentiles is in process and the lawless one is revealed whose coming is after the workings of satan. [2Thessalonians 2]

    All of the Gentile kingdoms in view have transgressed against the Lord by separating from Him and by ignoring His providence and direction. This behavior will be specifically offensive and unacceptable to Him at the time of the end.

    Daniel's fourth animal beast begins as an iron dominion and then changes into a dominion of iron and clay. He describes it as a "terrible" beast and views it in its final form of development.

    The Lord will not tolerate this last stage of Gentile domination [latter end of their rule] in the Middle East and the related occupation of the land of Israel by these enemies of His nation of Israel.

    This fourth animal beast has two distinct stages; one iron leg, and iron and clay feet and toes. The little horn will rule the first and then expand it by conquering the rest of the Middle East by alliance and by force.

    The first will be a smaller nation or country......or even a clandestine tribal organization located somewhere in the area of the ancient land of Magog [northern Middle Iraq].

    There will be another contemporary dominion represented by the other iron leg [Egyptian] located south of Israel.

    Daniel is told that at the time of the end the king of this dominion will "push at" the king of the north. This rival king of the south will attempt to stop the little horn's expansion ambitions. [Daniel 11:40]

    The king of the north's response will be to invade, conquer, and add the land of Egypt to his dominion. The same vision includes further conquests by the little horn and results in his dominance of most of the Middle East. [Daniel 11:36-44]

    He will then rule most all of the land area that was incorporated in the ancient dominions of the lion, bear, and leopard. [Revelation 13]

    This will be the divided dominion of iron and clay. The land of Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount will be included. [Revelation 11:2]

    It is important to recognize that there is a breach in the scope of Bible prophecy which falls between Daniel's third and fourth "animal" beasts [kingdoms].

    Understanding this truth will clarify much confusion that has been created by attempts to place Rome and/or subsequent rulers of the Middle East over the last 2,000+ years into the visions.
     
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    The 4th beast is Rome.

    The beast John say rise out of the sea is a conglomeration of all 4 of Daniel's beasts. It has the features of Daniel's beasts. It also has 7 heads, which is the summation of all the heads of Daniel's 4 beasts, and 10 horns, which is the total of the horns of Daniel's 4 beasts (only the 4th beast had horns, and it had 10).
     
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    "The 4th beast is Rome"

    Rulers of the Middle East before the first century are all named in the visions of scripture ..... where is Rome named in the prophetic visions?

    Who were the 10 kings of "Rome" that ruled with the little horn at the same time?

    And when did they make war with Jesus Christ at Armageddon?

    [Revelation 17:12-14]

    And who or what is the "great city" that the beast and the 10 kings destroy?

    [Revelation 17:16-18]
     
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    I never said the beast from the sea is Rome. In fact, I think Daniel 7 proves it isn't. It is rather the whole system from which Rome, as well as the other 3 of Daniel's beasts, came. From that same system shall come another kingdom and king, this one doing according to his will and exalting himself above ever god.
     
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    This is what you said:

    "The 4th beast is Rome"

    Now you say not

    So who do you think the 4th beast is and where will this kingdom be located on the earth?

    And who or what is the "great city" that this 4th kingdom will destroy in one day?
     
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    Daniel's 4th beast is Rome. Daniel sees 4 individual beasts representing 4 individual kingdoms. John saw, not an individual kingdom, but a conglomeration of Daniel's 4 beasts. This is something routinely overlooked. John sees not a single world power, but the entire anti-Christian world system as a whole. This is easily seen by noting that the beast from the sea that John saw in Revelation 13 is a summation of all 4 of Daniel's beasts.
     
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    Who were the first 3 kingdoms [lion. bear, leopard] and where were they located?
     
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    Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Those were Daniel's 4 beasts. They were the same kingdoms from Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Chapter 2.
     
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    Who ruled the Middle East after political Rome fell?

    How many different rulers have there been since and who were they?

    Are any of these seen in the prophetic visions?

    Who rules the Middle East today?

    Who is the little horn in Daniel's visions [7:7-25; 8:9-12; 23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7]

    Who and where are these people today? [Psalms 83]

    Who are these people who will attack Israel at the time of the end in Ezekiel 38; 39?

    Who is the Assyrian in Micah 5?
     

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