Day of Lord Single 12-Hour Day

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  1. Mel Miller

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    Friends,
    The Day of Lord is a Single 12-Hour Day

    Thirty reasons why signs in the sun, moon and stars signal the second coming:

    1. Seal Six opens “after the great tribulation.” Matt.24:29; Mark 13:24-27
    2. It signifies the unknown day has come, the very day the 7th Trumpet sounds.
    3. These signs must occur on the day/night of a full moon. Rev.6:12; NASB; NIV.
    4. The signs continue from noon to twilight of that Day. Amos 8:9; Zech.14:7
    5. Seven classes of men are hiding in the hills from invading Armageddons. Rev.6:15
    6. They acknowledge the Day of God’s and the Lamb’s wrath has come. Rev.6:17
    7. God’s wrath occurs on that Day…quickly after the 7th Trumpet sounds. Rev.11:18
    8. Seal Six is the primary global sign in Revelation of the Day Christ returns.
    9. Unbelievers survive the Day of wrath only by begging for God’s mercy. Luke 21:36
    10. God’s wrath follows the completion of His anger (thumos) in the 7 last Plagues. Rev.15:1
    11. God’s wrath (orgay) is confined to the hour of Christ’s appearance in glory.
    12. All who call on the name of the Lord will be “kept alive.” Luke 17:32,33; Rom.11:32,33.
    13 God will “turn and relent” so millions will escape His wrath on that day. Joel 2:11-14
    14. All of Daniel’s 70th Seven must be finished prior to the Sign. Rev.10:6-7; Rev.11:7
    15. Two Prophets finish 1260 days of prophecy 3½ days (or less) before the last day. Rev.11:7-11
    16. They are killed 2 to 4 days before Trump 7 sounds: “God’s wrath has come.”
    17. Before Seal 7 opens, all the martyrs enter the Temple from under the altar. Rev.7:14 - 8:5
    18. On the last day they praise God and the Lamb for their salvation. Rev.7:9
    19. Their prayers are presented to God as Seal 7 opens on the Day of Wrath. Rev.8:4
    20. Jesus placed His coming “at an unknown Hour” during these signs. Matt.24:36
    21. He taught that God’s wrath occurs on the Day He is “revealed.” Luke 17:30
    22. He brings all the Saints with Him, including tribulation Saints. I Thess.3:13; Rev.17:14
    23. Paul reveals the Lawless One will be destroyed on this Day. 2 Thess.2:2-8
    24. Two Beasts cast into Hell on this Day of 22 major events. Rev.19:20
    25. Hour of Trial for all mankind climaxes this 12-Hour-Day. Luke 21:35; Rev.3:10
    26. These signs continue while 100 verses in Revelation are all fulfilled. See Centerpiece.
    27. 7th Plague remains suspended in midair during 60 of these 100 verses. Centerpiece.
    28. Two Prophets rise up to heaven in the “same hour as the great quake.” Rev.11:12-13
    29. Final third woe comes quickly - God’s cup of anger and wrath. Rev.14:10; Rev.16:18-19
    30. Aftershocks of history's greatest quake destroy cities and mountains. Rev.16:19-20

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  2. Ed Edwards

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    Ob 1:15 (HCSB): For the day of the Lord
    is near, against all the nations.
    As you have done, so it will be done to you;
    what you deserve will return on your own head.

    'all the nations' span 24 time zones.
    Which time zone is this '12 hour day'
    measured in?

    Before you say 'all time zones' consider that
    a 12-hour day across 24 time zones lasts
    for 36 hours.

    -Ed Edwards,
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    Brother Ed,

    You answered my "New Topic" post in 10 minutes!

    You seem to be rejecting my point about a day
    of 12 hours by asserting a day is 24 hours!!!

    The "time zone" in question is where the initial action takes place . . . Israel!! The armies of
    the nations will have invaded Israel before the
    sun turns to darkness at Noon on DAY ONE of the Day of the Lord.

    Jesus reveals that people in Israel will have
    beeen at work in the field or at the mill when the sun turns dark. He gives them no time to return home or even come down off the housetop since the Day of God's wrath has come; and the Hour of Christ's presence to destroy ALL the wicked and the unrepentant is imminent.

    The Signs of Seal Six launch the events of the
    Day of the Lord, the Day of God's wrath with
    the events of that Day described in 100 verses of Revelation.

    But, your assertion that this Day equates with seven years of Daniel's prophecy still remains
    unsupported. Your 1000-Year Day of the Lord is
    a 1007-Year Day.

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    I'm not sure if I agree with the notion of a single day. I do not believe that the entire 70th week is the day of the Lord. Rather, I believe that the very end--the climactic end of God's wrath on the world--is the day of the Lord, a far shorter period of time, but I'm not sure that the text demands a 12-hour day. I think it's possible, but I don't find it likely.
     
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    Hi StefanM,

    Thank you for the observation about the statement
    of Jesus that He will destroy all the wicked on
    the "SAME Day He is revealed". Luke 17:27-30.

    May I ask on what basis you think that "day",
    from sunrise to twilight, is more than 12 Hours?

    Why should it be any more than 12 hours if, "ON
    THAT DAY," those who mourn and pray to escape all these things "may be kept alive if they remember Lot's wife and are willing to die"? Matt.24:30; Luke 21:36; Luke 17:31-33.

    Please note that Jesus places the time to mourn
    between His act of "gathering the elect from
    all extremities of the earth to heaven" and the
    act of the Angels in "gathering these elect out
    of the four winds from all extremities of the
    heavens"! Mark 13:27 [Matt.24:30]; Matt.24:31.

    Jesus comes with "all the Saints" on the same
    12-Hour Day that He destroys "all the wicked"
    and those who refuse to repent. I Thess.3:13;
    Rev.17:14; Joel 2:32.

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    The biblical use of the term for "day" does not always mean a single day any more than "hour" means a single hour. It's referring to a period of time.

    Of course, the beginning has to occur on a single day, for obvious reasons, but I think that the "day of the Lord" can continue for longer than a 12 hour period.

    With respect to Luke 17-- I don't think that "day" has to be synonymous with the "day of the Lord"--note that the text does not call it the day of the Lord. I would probably say that this event is the final revelation of Christ, a component of the day of the Lord, but I think that the "day of the Lord" period may begin earlier than this final revelation. I'll admit that I'm speculating a bit here.

    Nevertheless, I admit that Mel's position is tenable; I'm just not completely convinced of it yet.
     
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    Hi StefanM,

    I'm not surprised you are unconvinced.

    Please consider that the "signs" of the Day of
    the Lord, whether in Matt.24, Mark 13, Luke 17,
    Luke 21 or Rev.6, occur "in the days *after*
    the Great Tribulation ends. Mark 13:24; Matt.
    24:29 and in concert with this, Rev.10:6-7, as
    the End will occur "in the days whenever the
    7th Trumpet is about to sound" that "God's
    wrath has come". Rev.11:18.

    Pre-Tribbers claim the Day of the Lord includes
    half or all of Daniel's 70th Seven of 2520
    24-Hour Prophetic Days. They don't explain
    what happens on Day #2520 (7x360).

    Some Pre-Wrath advocates assume all seven last Plagues occur after the great tribulation and
    others claim the Trumpets and Plagues occur *afterward*. They don't explain why the Lord
    must wait an unknown period of days for the End
    instead of coming "immediately after the trib".

    Some Post-Trib supporters assume the "signs"
    of the Day of the Lord occur days or months
    *before* the Events of that Day. They don't
    explain why these events to which Jesus refers
    as causing men's hearts to fail (and described in 100 verses of Rev.) could not occur in a single 12-hour-day.

    My response is that Jesus not only placed the
    "specific signs in the sun, moon and stars"
    on the same Day He comes with all the Saints;
    but that He will destroy "all the wicked" on
    that same day (to fulfill Zech.14 as well as
    Luke 17:29-30 as it was on the day Lot was
    saved); BUT that the EVENTS of the Last Day
    are also the events of DAY ONE of a 1000-Year
    Day of the Lord.

    Brother Ed claims the Day of the Lord includes
    the seven years of Daniel's 70th Seven. But
    this does not allow that "chronos" Time will no longer be subject to a countdown as of the day
    the Two Witnesses are killed on the last day
    of Daniel's 2520 prophetic countdown "days"
    which are clearly 24-Hour Days!! Rev.10:6-7.

    There will be no more and certainly less than
    3 1/2 days remaining before the Two Witnesses will be "caught up" to heaven to witness in the "Open Temple Court" of Seal 7 which cannot open "until the 7 last plagues demonstrate that God's deeds are holy and true (Rev.15:4; aorist
    indicative) and have exhausted God's patience (anger)" (15:1 aorist indicative) because the
    wicked will have refused to repent during the
    Plagues and continually "blaspheme God" right
    up to the "DAY OF GOD ALMIGHTY" having gathered their armies to Armageddon. Rev.16:9-11.

    That is precisely when Jesus promises to "come as a thief" (Rev.16:15; 2 Pet.3:10) and so that on that DAY, DAY ONE of the 1000-Year Day of the Lord, He comes to begin the Day of the Lord which must include the reign of Christ on earth and must start as of the 7th Trumpet because IT alone announces that "God's wrath has come".

    "NO ONE can enter the Temple in heaven until
    the Last Plague empties in the air." Rev.15:8.
    Therefore the Court Scene of Seal 7 (Dan.7:22)
    will not take place until the voice coming
    out of the Temple, from the Throne, decrees:
    "It is Done" (Rev.16:17); the very context for
    His coming "as a thief". The End has come when the 7th Plague empties in the air and the Temple
    opens as of Rev.15:5 for the action already
    described from Rev.7:9 to 8:5 and Rev.11:15-19.

    For it is then we find the only other reference
    to the "OPEN" Temple with the Ark of Covenant
    seen for the first time. Rev.11:19. God's
    wrath is announced as having come as a result
    of the Angel of Fire's Verdict symbolized by
    coals of fire cast to the earth and the first
    of 3 instances of the Storm Scene that continues
    at the 7th Trumpet. Rev.8:5; Rev.11:19.

    For these reasons, I reject the premise of
    Bro. Ed that the Two Witnesses are killed
    3 1/2 years before the END of the countdown
    of Daniel's (2520/24-Hour Prophetic Days) with only 30 days left of his 3 1/2 times of 2550
    days (2550-1260-1260=30).

    I cannot accept that the Day of the Lord
    includes any of the 2520 24-Hour Prophetic
    Days of Daniel's 70th Seven.

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  8. Ed Edwards

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    Mel Miller: "Pre-Tribbers claim ... "

    You can find pretribbers who will claim most
    anything. Recommed:

    [name of Specific Poster on BB]: // [specific claim] //

    Mel Miller: //You seem to be rejecting my point about a day
    of 12 hours by asserting a day is 24 hours!!!//

    You still don't get it. I'm still working on a position
    paper that shows all the different "Days of the Lord".
    Again, you could just do it yourself, if you have more
    time than I have:

    Here is the raw data, what is the specific product?

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    27 each day of the Lord found:

    Isa 13:6 (HCSB): Wail! For the day of the Lord is near.
    It will come like destruction from the Almighty.

    Isa 13:9 (HCSB): Look, the day of the Lord is coming-
    cruel, with rage and burning anger-
    to make the earth a desolation
    and to destroy the sinners on it.

    La 2:22 (HCSB): You summoned my attackers on every side,
    as if [for] an appointed festival day;
    on the day of the Lord's anger
    no one escaped or survived.
    My enemy has destroyed
    those I nurtured and reared.

    Eze 7:19 (HCSB): They will throw their silver into the streets,
    and their gold will seem like something filthy.
    Their silver and gold will be unable to save them
    in the day of the Lord's wrath.
    They will not satisfy their appetites
    or fill their stomachs,
    for these were the stumbling blocks
    that brought about their iniquity.

    Eze 13:5 (HCSB): You did not go up to the gaps or restore
    the wall around the

    house of Israel so that it might stand in battle
    on the day of the

    Lord
    .

    Ho 9:5 (HCSB): What will you do on a festival day,
    on the day of the Lord's feast?

    Joe 1:15 (HCSB): Woe because of that day!
    For the day of the Lord is near
    and will come as devastation from the Almighty.

    Joe 2:1 (HCSB): Blow the horn in Zion;
    sound the alarm on My holy mountain!
    Let all the residents of the land tremble,
    for the day of the Lord is coming;
    in fact, it is near-

    Joe 2:11 (HCSB): The Lord raises His voice
    in the presence of His army.
    His camp is very large;
    Those who carry out His command are powerful.
    Indeed, the day of the Lord is terrible and dreadful -
    who can endure it?

    Joe 2:31 (HCSB): The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the great and awe inspiring day of the Lord comes.

    Joe 3:14 (HCSB): Multitudes, multitudes
    in the valley of decision!
    For the day of the Lord is near
    in the valley of decision.

    Am 5:18 (HCSB): Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord!
    What will the day of the Lord be for you?
    It will be darkness and not light.

    Am 5:20 (HCSB): Won't the day of the Lord
    be darkness rather than light,
    even gloom without any brightness in it?

    Ob 1:15 (HCSB): For the day of the Lord is near,
    against all the nations.
    As you have done, so it will be done to you;
    what you deserve will return on your own head.

    Zep 1:7 (HCSB): Be silent in the presence of the Lord God,
    for the day of the Lord is near.
    Indeed, the Lord has prepared a sacrifice;
    He has consecrated His guests.

    Zep 1:8 (HCSB): On the day of the Lord's sacrifice
    I will punish the officials, the king's sons,
    and all who are dressed in foreign clothing.

    Zep 1:14 (HCSB): The great day of the Lord is near,
    near and rapidly approaching.
    Listen, the day of the Lord-
    there the warrior's cry is bitter.

    Zep 1:18 (HCSB): Their silver and their gold
    will not be able to rescue them
    on the day of the Lord's wrath.
    The whole earth will be consumed
    by the fire of His jealousy.
    For He will make a complete,
    yes, a horrifying end
    of all the inhabitants of the earth.

    Zep 2:2 (HCSB): before the decree takes effect
    and the day passes like chaff,
    before the burning of the Lord's anger overtakes you,
    before the day of the Lord's anger overtakes you.

    Zep 2:3 (HCSB): Seek the Lord, all you humble of the earth,
    who carry out what He commands.
    Seek righteousness, seek humility;
    perhaps you will be concealed
    on the day of the Lord's anger.

    Zec 14:1 (HCSB): A day of the Lord is coming when your plunder will be

    divided in your presence.

    Mal 4:5 (HCSB): Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the

    great and awesome day of the Lord comes.

    Ac 2:20 (HCSB): The sun will be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood,

    before the great and remarkable day of the Lord comes;

    1Co 5:5 (HCSB): turn that one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,

    so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

    1Th 5:2 (HCSB): For you yourselves know very well that the day of the

    Lord
    will come just like a thief in the night.

    2Th 2:2 (HCSB): not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a

    spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the day

    of the Lord
    has come.

    2Pe 3:10 (HCSB): But the day of the Lord will come like a thief; on

    that day the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, the elements will burn

    and be dissolved, and the earth and the works on it will be disclosed.

    3 each day of Christ found:

    Php 1:6 (HCSB): I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you

    will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

    Php 1:10 (HCSB): so that you can determine what really matters and can be

    pure and blameless in the day of Christ,

    Php 2:16 (HCSB): Hold firmly the message of life. Then I can boast in the

    day of Christ that I didn't run in vain or labor for nothing.

    3 each day of God found:

    Job 20:28 (HCSB): The possessions in his house will be removed,
    flowing away on the day of God's anger.

    2Pe 3:12 (HCSB): as you wait for and earnestly desire the coming of the

    day of God, because of which the heavens will be on fire and be

    dissolved, and the elements will melt with the heat.

    Re 16:14 (HCSB): For they are spirits of demons performing signs, who travel

    to the kings of the whole world to assemble them for the battle of the great

    day of God, the Almighty.

    7 each day of judgment found:

    Mt 10:15 (HCSB): I assure you: It will be more tolerable
    on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for

    that town.

    Mt 11:22 (HCSB): But I tell you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon

    on the day of judgment than for you.

    Mt 11:24 (HCSB): But I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of

    Sodom on the day of judgment than for you."

    Mt 12:36 (HCSB): I tell you that on the day of judgment people will

    have to account for every careless word they speak.

    2Pe 2:9 (HCSB): then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and

    to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,

    2Pe 3:7 (HCSB): But by the same word the present heavens and earth are held

    in store for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction

    of ungodly men.

    1Jo 4:17 (HCSB): In this, love is perfected with us so that we may have

    confidence in the day of judgment; for we are as He is in this world.

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    Does a Triune Lord and God limit Himself
    to one and only one 'Day of the Lord'?
    I don't think so.

    Most of what you say, Brother Miller, is the
    one 12-hour-day-long Second Coming of Jesus Event
    'Day of the Lord'. You see only one 'Day of the Lord'
    but the Lord has three each "Day of the Lord's:

    1. the 70th week of Daniel
    7-years-long = 2 times 3½-years long = 42 months long
    The Tribulation Period = Day of the Lord God

    2. the physical Millinnial Kingdom of Christ
    1,000 years long (could be symbolic of 'a long time'.
    The Millinnial Kingdom of Christ = Day of the Lord Christ

    3. the 12-hour day that Bro. Mel sees
    Second Comming Event*
    Second Comming = Day of Christ Jesus the Lord

    *note, The Lord's 'second coming' has two parts
    (these numbers aren't sacred)
    Both the whole 7-year-long event and the end day
    are called the same 'second coming'


    1. the Coming of Jesus in power and Glory to destroy the antichrist
    2. the Coming of Jesus to get the largely Gentile Church

    but you can number them this way also
    (how you number them doesn't change the fact they are two.

    1. the Coming of Jesus to get the largely Gentile Church
    2. the Coming of Jesus in power and Glory to destroy the antichrist

    Some people think it says somehwere that the God who created the
    Universe limits Himself to 'one and only one' 'second coming'.
    I haven't found it yet. I found where God limits Himself to
    one and only one uniquely born Son: Messiah Jesus.

    How man 'first comings' did Jesus have?

    1. the coming from heaven to earth as a babe in a manger
    2. the coming from hell to earth at the Resurrection of Jesus

    Nobody i've ever told this two debated it. But folks will
    agree the 'first coming' is dual, but the 'second coming'
    is only singular. Show me the words. "one and only Second coming"
    will work nicely. If you can't find that, other words can
    abe used to say the same thing.
     
  9. Mel Miller

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    Brother Ed,

    Lots of Scripture on a "single" day of the Lord.

    You have not yet given evidence that the 70th
    Seven of Daniel is called the "day of the Lord".

    You simply repeat a statement which is self-
    serving; but not evidence that the Day of the
    Lord will last more than 1000 years with Christ
    coming with all the Saints to destroy the wicked
    on DAY ONE. Here is your repetitive statement:

    //"The 70th week of Daniel 7-years-long = 2 times 3½-years long = 42 months long = The Tribulation Period = Day of the Lord God."//

    Peter allows that the Day of the Lord is no
    more and no less than 1000 years. That does
    not mean 1007 years.

    Why do you wish me to "show you one and only
    Second Coming" as requested in your closing
    remarks above? I have never seen evidence
    for anything but a "one and only S. C." Or
    do I misunderstand your request?

    Even when I supported the Pre-Trib Rapture
    60 to 72 years ago, I never accepted the idea of "two phases" to the Second Coming. I just thot of the Rapture as secret and invisible.

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