Dead Sea Scroll Bible - 1 Sam 11 & Gen 12

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  1. Eliyahu

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    I have some project to work on the Dead Sea Scroll Bible.
    Especially I need to work on 1 Sam 11, about which some of you may know already.

    Let's call Dead Sea Scroll as DSS in this thread for convenience.

    The point is that DSS shows the details which are not mentioned either in MT or in LXX.

    So, Nahash is the King of Ammonites, and he had gouged out the right eyes of the Israelites already. The whole story doesn't contradict either MT or LXX, but it supplement the Bible.
    Josephus mentioned about this passage.

    This event lead Saul to be exalted among Israel by winning over Ammonites.

    Questions are:
    1) Have you ever studied on this issue ? if any,please comment.
    2) Where can I have the access to Josephus either in Hebrew or in English?

    [ March 02, 2006, 02:32 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]
     
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    The only version I know of that puts the extended DSS version in the body of the text is the NRSV.

     
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    G-D,

    thank you very much for your help. I think it will be very much helpful to me.
    You are right, I think NRSV is the one which reflected DSS. Thanks.
     
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    Not much to add.

    David Alter writes in The David Story:
    Of particular note is that he added the section in a footnote and not in his reconstructed text.

    Rob
     
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    Deacon,
    Thank you very much for your contribution.
    It is interesting that the event is connected with Judges 21,and eventually becomes a matter of human destiny.
    It was MUCHAS added. Danke!
    Who is David Alter?
    Is David Story titled after King David?

    Eventually, we have to reach a certain understanding about why MT, LXX omitted this, how Q4Sam preserved it.
     
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    Arguably the books of Samuel were the most poorly preserved in the Bible.
    There are a few places in the books where the Hebrew is almost unintelligible.
    Possibly related to it’s mode of transmission; no single author, written over multiple generations, turbulent times.

    A more complete seminary library may have Notes on the Hebrew Text of the Books of Samuel by Samuel Driver (the “D” of the BDB lexicon), which will be helpful in explaining some of the difficulties.

    Rob
     
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    Rob,
    I notice except Isaiah and Psalm, all the other bibles are found in the form of fragments which need knitting and framing work.
    Eventually we may reach the question of authenticity of DSS bibles. As we see Jeremiah from DSS, there are at least 2 types of Bible. DSS shows 6 copies of Jeremiah, among them 5 copies are longer same as KJV longer by 13%, 1 copy is shorter one similar to LXX.
    So far we can limit the use of DSS to supplementing the existing Bible.
     
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    I regret OP was titled as DSS - 1 Sam 11, because I found one more need on DSS.
    If possible, I would like to deal with the other issue on DSS here also, by modifying the title " DSS-1 Sam 11 and Genesis 12.
    I have a question about Genesis Apocryphon which is covering Abram and Sarai when they entered Egypt. The Bible doesn't tell the details about the situation, but the Apocryphon tells very much details.
    What I notice is that Abraham encountered an inevitable situation where Abram had to goto Egypt due to the famine, he felt a certain threat, inevitably he had to tell the half truth which was quite understandable from human point of view, he was almost forced to give up his wife, he wept so much when he lost his wife, he prayed a lot unto God, Sarai stayed at Paraoh's for 2 years ( may be confined there), Paraoh had no access to her, God intervened the case, Egyptian women could not conceive, Paraoh released Sarai and paid to Abraham and gave Hagar the woman servant to Abram.

    Now my question is that Targum Onqelos support this Genesis Apocrypha, and where can I have to access to Targum Onqelos? Can anyone help me in this regard?
     
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    Don't know anything about this one.

    Google lead me to Wikipedia : Targum Onkelos

    which lead me to

    Mechon-mamre : Targum Onqelos with vowels

    I don't know aramaic so that is as far as I can go.
     
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    I will change the title as requested. We had Peter Flint in our church and home (he and his team translated the DSS and wrote the book!) and I love the DSS text.
     
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    What a blessing you have! I have been reading some DSS translated by Pet Flint, Martin Abegg, Mr. Ulrich.
    Thank you very much again.
     
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