Deaf Man Beaten by Police

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    America’s Police State: Worse than Communist North Korea?

    Last night (January 14), the PBS program Frontline aired a documentary entitled The Secret State of North Korea that drew heavily from footage collected by a group of underground videographers. Among the scenes captured in that documentary are two encounters between women and soldiers acting as police officers. (The Communist government in North Korea, unlike the proto-totalitarian US regime, doesn’t cling to the fiction that the military and police are separate entities.)

    In the first confrontation, a woman running a private bus service is accosted by a soldier who attempts to issue a citation. She is angrily and openly defiant of the uniformed bully’s “authority”; at one point, she actually shoves him several times and treats him to a well-earned outpouring of verbal abuse before turning back to her work. The second incident involved a woman who refused to accept a citation for wearing pants in defiance of a mandatory dress code.

    If these incidents had occurred in the United States, the women would have been beaten, tasered, and — quite possibly — killed. The onlookers who had recorded the encounters on video would probably have been arrested for “obstruction,” and their cameras would have been confiscated on the scene.


    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/americas-police-state-worse-than-communist-north-korea/

    For awhile I thought TND might be happier living in communist North Korea but after seeing this I very much doubt it's authoritarian enough for him there.

    If Cops Are THIS Afraid of Each Other, Why Should the Public Support Them?

    Redondo Beach resident David Perdue was nearly murdered by police on the way to the beach last February 7. Torrance Police Officer Brian McGee rammed his vehicle into Perdue’s truck and opened fire on the driver’s side without pausing to identify the driver, who he thought was former LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner.

    A few hours earlier, Dorner – who had published a manifesto condemning the LAPD and threatening to kill officials involved in his termination from the force – had shot two Riverside County cops, killing one of them. McGee was among the thousands of police officers who took part in the manhunt for Dorner – and like all of his comrades, he was incapacitated by panic.

    When he spotted Perdue’s car, McGee told investigators, he was “panicking inside, thinking if I don’t get out of this car seat, I’m gonna die. He’s gonna kill me. He’s gonna shoot me. I one hundred percent believe it’s him.”

    So acting in the finest tradition of police valor, and in the name of the most important policy consideration, “Officer Safety,” the Iraq War veteran opened fire on Perdue. It was the victim’s immense good fortune that the assailant was a cop: Thanks to McGee’s good enough-for-government “work” marksmanship, Perdue survived the attack.

    Dorner was a large, heavyset black man. Perdue is a slender white man. Once those obvious differences had penetrated the blinding haze of panic that had enveloped McGee, he stopped shooting.

    < snip >

    According to the DA, McGee made a “reasonable mistake” when he rammed Perdue’s truck and tried to kill him sight unseen – because his life, and those of his fellow law enforcement officers, were of singular worth. After all, the security of the State’s punitive caste is infinitely more important than the rights of a mere Mundane.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog...ach-other-why-should-the-public-support-them/

    Seems like I read dozens of stories like this every month. Bad enough we got a president with a "kill list" now we have to worry about being killed by cops too? What a sick sad place this country has turned into.
     
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    You know where Lew Rockwell loses their credibility? "Good enough for government marksmanship," amongst other snide comments.

    In this manner, they're worse than the mainstream media. They might be reporting facts; and they could actually be a better news reporting source than mainstream media; if they'd only keep from coloring their reports with their personal opinions and allow people to think for themselves.
     
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    Last year, 33 police officers died in the line of duty. That's the lowest it's been since the "Wild West" days of 1887. Overall, line-of-duty deaths of federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers dropped to 111, the lowest total since 1959. One of those was Officer Patricia Parete of the Buffalo, New York Police Department. She and her partner encountered a belligerent man at a convenience store in 2006, and while trying to calm him down, he pulled a gun and shot Parete, severing her spinal cord. She lay a quadriplegic for seven years before dying last February. Where are your cries for justice for her, since the criminal who shot her got a 30-to-life sentence and is eligible for parole in six more years? But our two resident clowns overlooked her. They were too busy crying over an isolated incident in which the officers involved have been suspended -- something you utterly failed to mention in your post, expecting people to read the article, which most never do.

    I get the impression there are a couple of our "esteemed members" on this board who think our police forces are comprised of mindless, knuckle-dragging brutes who roam the streets looking for defenseless and totally innocent people to beat up or shoot, and that tin-foil-wearing nutball who never posts anywhere but the New/Current Events forum and Politics is even worse that the OP of this thread. He reinforces his accusations with reports from Amnesty International that reports American police brutality is a national epidemic and a disgrace to the civilized world in countries like Russia and China.

    One has to wonder: What is their solution to this "dilemma"? While passive and kindly cops may be good for Mayberry or whatever podunk town they live in, such officers would be eaten alive in Chicago, Kansas City, Houston, New York, L.A., Atlanta -- you name any big city, such an officer wouldn't last five minutes out there with a Barney Fife routine. While these two "cop bashers" go into great detail listing the recent police shootings and beatings of so-called totally forthright citizens and aliens they utterly fail to state the number of police killed in the line of duty defending their communities. Until last year, more than a hundred officers were killed each year in routine traffic stops, answering the highly perilous domestic violence calls and armed robberies.

    Speaking for myself, I really don't care what Amnesty International or any of these other "do-gooder" negative numbskull organizations report. No one in this country elected them to anything, or asked their opinion about us, our police forces, or the state of the American nation. Amnesty International is comprised of idealistic socialist left-wingers, mostly foreigners concerned only with the coddling of criminals. From the air-conditioned security of their "think tanks" it's so easy to be hypercritical of police making life-and-death decisions in a split second every day.

    These two clowns who post this garbage on here go into great detail listing local and national cop abuses. So, let's look at a few details these two have overlooked. Anyone reading their drivel would think most of the typical victims of these "abuses" are totally innocent, just walking around the neighborhood listening to the birds sing while exercising their constitutional right to be naked, loud, armed, and/or belligerent. Then out of the blue a white, racist cop with lights flashing roars up and beats them, or worse, shoots them, and stands there to watch them suffer or die. What a load of male bovine excretory matter!

    The facts are these: Officers don't go into a situation like that thinking they are going to jump out of their patrol cars and beat up some punk, or draw their guns and shoot somebody. The last thing any police officer wants to do is be involved in an incident like that, particularly a police-involved shooting. It brings negative publicity to their department, even if they are 100% right -- which they almost always are.

    Please take note, nutballs, I'm not saying there aren't mistakes made, or that there aren't psychos in police uniforms. The deaf man in Oklahoma City deserves justice, no doubt. But unlike you, I don't think this incident is typical of every circumstance that comes along. You can call me naive, ignorant, a neocon police-stater, whatever, I don't care. Your bellicose blubbering about these incidents is your whiny, irrational, unstable reaction to events that are so rare as to be news because they are the exception, not because they are the rule.

    How many citizens died in 2013 at the hands of officers who were later found to be in the wrong? Exactly two, out of 304 police-involved shootings in 2013. Both those officers are facing manslaughter or murder charges. So to the two arrogant clowns who continually post this scum, kindly put it somewhere out of the light, because it's utter garbage, and that's putting it nicely.
     
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    We have plenty of fine officers and the outrage when they and other defenders of our safety are harmed is just as strong.

    My concern, however, and what you hear voiced most often as of late, is the overall concern with the attitude of the United States towards safety and freedom and how those two come together. I believe that as a whole, our sense of honor and freedom has been given up to a government that is incapable of defending our honor and freedom because they are corrupt and weak - which can only be a reflection of the majority, as they cannot be in power without our permission.

    We will always hear the news when a police officer is wounded. It usually takes a lot more effort for the story of someone mistreated by authorities to come out, whether they be victims of police, corrupt courts, or others. Those that hold more power than citizens have the power to cover up evidence. That is not a good situation when power gets abused. In a nation that is becoming more godless by the second, where human life is devalued, we're seeing the results. The children of these changes did have to grow up sometime and continue to do so.

    You really think it had, has, and will not continue to have no ill effects?

    Wake up.
     
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    You tell me and others at the end of this post to "wake up." I am awake. You, on the other hand, are flirting with the lunatic fringe who would classify police officers, security officers, state and federal investigators, tribal and territorial police as Gestapo. You are completely out of touch with reality.
    Police officers and the people who depend on them will have their voices silenced in this process of sensationalizing incidents of the kind in Oklahoma City without clearly stating -- and you did not -- that the highway patrolmen involved were immediately suspended. Your headline, the link, etc., were geared to demonize police officers in general without giving the whole story, expecting others to read your link. You know, as well as anyone else, most people don't go to the link. They form their opinions from your headline and comments, which is why I always give the first three to five paragraphs of the actual story so no one will be misled.

    Most Americans live in a cocoon of safety. Most of our citizens spend no time in their busy days calculating the times they can walk around their own neighborhoods, the routes they must take (or avoid) and the risks they and their families must constantly be vigilant about. Why? Because the vast majority, well over 99.99%, of our police forces are staffed with honest, diligent men and women who are careful to protect the rights and safety of others. You don't seem to get this, and neither does your tin-foil-hat compadre. Your intent in posting this drivel is obvious: Neither of you like or respect police officers, neither of you give them any credit for their service, and neither of you would care if they stopped doing their jobs. Essentially, that makes you anarchists, whether you accept the label or not.

    Of course, there are still many who shudder when they hear footsteps from behind, who pause at traffic lights only after performing meticulous visual sweeps. There are still people, particularly in our inner cities, who report going to sleep to the sounds of gunfire, and if asked, will say they know someone who is carrying around a gun who shouldn’t be and who has little fear of the consequences. Scores of American cities of various sizes have been hollowed out by the collapse of public safety where residents lose all faith in public institutions to protect them and their loved ones. Fear and uncertainty are the result of that loss of faith. You're assisting that collapse. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Now, I'm done here. You're hopeless.
     
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    It's sad that you feel people aren't bright enough to do their own research past the headlines, or read links. Yet you trust those same people with who they elect and to hold positions of authority. That makes no sense.

    I choose to have faith that there are people out there who care. That there are intelligent, logical citizens who will look at the information and realize that we have a problem that needs to be addressed.

    It also is sad that you find the story of your fellow citizen, a deaf man, beaten and provided with no interpreter, to be "drivel." The crucial part of this story isn't going to be what happened or will happen after, but that it happened in the first place.

    Why did your empathy automatically go towards the officers? Don't bother telling me, answer it to yourself because it's a soul searching question that isn't my business.

    Your broad conclusion that because I don't like seeing deaf men who can't hear officers subsequently beaten and other injustices makes me hate all officers and be against all authorities is pretty insane, but it only helps to show the type of mindset one can come up against when one hopes to bring this stuff to light and stop injustices of this nature from repeating themselves.

    How can you find ways to minimize the harm done in situations like the beating of this man without feeling really low? Don't you feel some kind of ickiness in the pit of your stomach when you do stuff like this?
     
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    What kind of country do we live in today? Do we live in a "free society" protected by honorable authority figures as TND would have us believe or do we live in a corrupt system of control and thievery?

    Let's start at the top of the power structure and work down and see if we can find out.

    At the very top of the power structure we have the "to big to fail banks" that launder billions of dollars for the drugs cartels and help move money to nations under sanctions and terrorist groups.

    Remember the hand the gives (or loans fiat money created from thin air) is always above the hand that receives.

    Next we have the POTUS who claims the authority to indefinitely imprison or execute American citizens with out charge or trail. Along with a congress that goes along without question and ridicules anyone that does question it.

    The congress itself is bought off by the big banks. multinational corporations and foreign powers that operate under the guise of lobbyists such as AIPAC that have absolutely no loyalty to this country what so ever.

    And let's not forget their supporting actors that remind us every chance they get "how sweet it is to die for the state". While they themselves wouldn't so much as shoulder a rifle. Chicken hawk is exactly the right term for these spineless warmongers.

    Moving on down we have the government agencies like the NSA who violates the constitution on every level everyday by collecting all our phone calls, text messages and emails in the name of fighting terror.

    While those in charge of over seeing it write up legislation to shield it from being held accountable.

    Nevermind our own "government officials" have openly lobbied for terrorist groups, made sure Islamic extremists were well funded and armed in places like Libya and Syria and have used them as proxy fighting forces to divide populations to affect "regime change" that has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths and untold suffering in every country Washington "liberates".

    Let's not forget the TSA that gropes our children and takes naked pictures of us at the airport in the name of protecting us from the very terrorists our government funds and arms.

    Trickling on down to the police that look more Nazi stormtroopers today than the peace officers of my childhood. They drive tanks and armored cars, wear black face masks and carry German sub machine guns. There are articles written everyday practically on their abuse of power and treating citizens as enemies.

    But this shouldn't really surprise us as they are being trained to look at us mere citizens as enemy combatants and threats to the power of the state.

    Police Trained Nationwide That Informed Americans Are Domestic Terrorists

    DoD Training Manual: ‘Extremist’ Founding Fathers ‘Would Not Be Welcome In Today’s Military’

    DOJ-Funded Training Manual Lists Bumper Stickers as Terrorism

    Missouri Fusion Center Report on Extremists Raises Ruckus http://www.hstoday.us/blogs/the-kim...-ruckus/8a3caefed4297f1730de7ad7a8912116.html

    Justice Department Trained Police to Link Political Activism With Terror

    So do we hear any of this from the corporate media that is supposed to be a watchdog that guards us against out of control government?

    No because the corporate media is there only to keep us in the dark about how completely corrupt the system is. Do we hear the truth that both major political parties are firmly in the pockets of the big banks and multinational corporations? No because the media is owned and controlled by the same interests.

    Do we hear how both major political parties are authoritarian to the core? No we get played like ping pong balls with one side telling us how bad the other side is and making excuses for the criminal acts of their own side.

    With Saudi Faux Snews we get a big bonus. It's second largest share holder is Saudi Prince Al Waleed. Fair and balanced? Depends on whether or not you side with the Saudi dictatorship that sponsors terrorism and treast it's own people like dogs I reckon.

    I do not. So that makes me a "nutball" according to big government statist authoritarians like TND that equate political activism and standing up for individual rights and the Constitution with anarchy and radicalism.

    So what kind of country do we live in?
     
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    Wow! The DA thinks the man is fortunate to be alive, says the officers could have justifiably used more lethal force, the officers are cleared, and the man is facing charges for resisting...
    So if you're an officer and you approach a deaf man in the dark and give him verbal commands and he doesn't comply, and you then attempt to gag him and he tries to talk, the deaf man is in the wrong and you are justified to use lethal force.
    I see clouds of blue...skies of white...what a wonderful world! *gag*

    http://kfor.com/2014/02/26/dash-cam-video-deaf-man-charged-with-resisting-arrest-officers-cleared/
     
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    Yeah if we only lived in a perfect world things would be so much better.

    I wish they could deliver the facts without resorting to "snide remarks" to Don but I understand how being on the receiving end of endless personal attacks and being demonized from both sides of the authoritarian establishment for years on end can get on your nerves and make you want to throw out a few snide remarks of your own.
     
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    Another news place has it. The man originally said they started by punching him in the face as he was reaching for his placard that says he's deaf.
    And this supports that - and is actually defended by saying it was done to stun him.

    http://www.koco.com/news/oklahomane...g-in-violent-arrest-of-64yearold-man/24723978

    I just noticed that this story comes out of Moore. I knew it was Oklahoma, but not Moore. That would be the same place as the other story where the wife said police beat her husband to death at the theater. (and where a lady died in custody the same week) What's going on over there?
     

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