Dean says : quit basing their votes on "race, guns, God and gays."

Yeah, Get rid of the CSA Battleflag and all the problems of the USA end.

BTW, I have a Confederate Battle Flag on my Car bumber that states Heritage not Hate! That message goes not only for liberals like NAACP, Democratic party but also Hate groups like the KKK, Nazis, and the C.C.C.(Council of Conservative Citizens).

 

That's neat, Kiffin. Does anyone ever comment about your flag?

 

I used to live in the South (Texas is not the south, we are Texas) and I have a hard time explaining to a lot of people who have not lived there, that the confederate flag is not about racism.

Lincoln's notion "I'd let 'em up easy" should rule here. The north was not supposed to be the conquerors, imposing their will on a defeated enemy, but fellow Americans, "binding the nation's wounds."

Slavery was a blight on the nation's honor, but there was more to it than slavery. And there was honor, and bravery, and the values of a largely decent population involved.

Time I like Kiffen's solution, although it probably enrages extremists on both sides.

 

I think it was a stereotypical comment by a elitist northeast liberal. It was just a dumb thing to say. He may have said it early enough to get by with it though. If he says it in January or February, it may be "party over" time for Dean. The general public (and Democrats in particular) have a way of forgetting these things over time. The Democrats as a whole are much more driven by idealogy and usually don't let these little things get in their way. They will find a way to overlook it, just as they did with Jackson's Hymietown comment and Gore's visit to a religious establishment where the women had to sit outside to hear while the men sat inside. They didn't even do that at BJU when Bush (and Bush I, and Quayle, and Reagan, and Democrat Liz Patterson, and Pat Robertson, and Catholic Buchanan, Black Catholic Keyes, Black writer Armstrong Williams, etc) spoke there. They let the ladies sit right in the same room with the men ...

Democrats have a funny way about them when it comes to matters like this ... By voting time, it will be long gone I imagine ...

 

Ken this is really the actual bumper sticker (though maybe slightly differant)




I have not heard either pro or con from strangers. I bought it from the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS (SCV) which I belong to. My camp have had problems and confrontations with the C.C.C. (Which is a Racist group) at Confederate Memorial day sevices in the past and uses the CSA battleflag to promote racism.

 

The point she was trying to make was if we are one nation indivisible, then why keep a flag from a faction that was fighting against the union? You guys talk the most about patriotism, so shouldn't you be fighting only for the red, white and blue?
(Or if you think the Union was the faction that took over the true America, the Confederacy, then either shouldn't Old Glory be the Confederate flag, or do you believe the orange, white and blue should be the nation's flag?)

 

Number one, Galatian, although I'm born and raised, 6th generation, in Texas I still consider myself to be in the south. Of course, I also consider myself to be separate from it in Texas.

Here, it's kind of an odd situation. Although I love and honor the south, I love my state even more.

All in all, I'm a Southerner, but I'm a Texan first. Yes, even before I'm an American. (No wonder outside people think we are snoody. )

Secondly, I think Dean was wrong with race, guns, God, and gays.

It should have been abortion, race, guns, God, and gays. He has criticized everything that I base my vote on. So, basically he doesn't think I should have moral idealogy, but I should vote solely by my pocketbook.

And the Democratic Party wonders why they're losing so many elections. They need to learn that people care more about their beliefs than their money. (Even though the Democrats aren't that much better in the money department either.)

Out of all of the candidates, I hope Kucinich wins the nomination. Bush wouldn't have to campaign at all.

GO BUSH '04!!!

 

Some of us would have liked the CSA to have won its independence. Therefore, through the flags of the Confederacy we remember what could have been.

Can we have a separate country now? Nope. Therefore, we try to create in the USA what we wanted in the CSA - limited, constitutional government where the powers of government flow up from the local level instead of down from the federal level.

If some people have a problem with some of us displaying Confederate flags, they need to simply put up with it. I don't like everything that other people do either, but I simply put up with it as I believe in individual liberty - and that means being not agreeing with someone else's actions at times.

People like the author of the article you linked should just leave us alone and allow us to enjoy displaying our Southern heritage. It doesn't hurt a thing. No one is forcing them to look at a Confederate flag.

 

Sounds like you should be supporting the political party that actually agrees with your positions in reality instead of just in campaign rhetoric as the Republicans do - the Constitution Party( www.constitutionparty.org )

 

We have a problem here in Washington with certain
high school students who have adopted the
Confederate flag as their symbol, along with
cowboy hats and other symbols. Their idea is one
of separating from, and rebelling against, other
such student groups. This concept met with
Northern dismay and disgust, because here, the
Confederate flag is used almost exclusively by
racists - KKKers, skinheads, Arians, whatever they
want to call themselves.

So the people protested their use of the flag, and
they cried innocense and the right to represent
themselves by this banner. Then some of them
decided to use their right to that banner by
harrassing a wheelchair-bound black student,
with no way to defend himself, by rubbing that
flag in his face, jabbing at him, and flinging some
epithets at him until they were stopped.

Up here, the Confederate flag, although loved and
cherished in the South, is an embarrassment to all
who hold to values of decency and godliness.
When I see a pickup truck with that flag displayed,
my automatic response is to check the license. If
the truck is from Washington or Idaho, I automatic-
ally think "racist!" I have not yet seen one from the
South here.

Our attitude here may be offensive to those from
the South, but Northern history backs us: those
who use that flag here are anything but decent
people; they are the ones we used to watch on
Donohue, whose IQs were a close match to the
number of the grade they were in when they quit
school. They are the type of people who have
harrassed my son and his wife, because her
family escaped Cambodia when they enslaved
her brother and hunted for her father, to kill him.
It is this type that sways the Northern mind when
we see that flag flown here.

 

The sad thing is that the people using the flag up there are from the North. They have no clue what the flag represents and they are tarnishing the image.

My opinion is if someone doesn't live in the South, ro they didn't have ancestors on our side in the war, they should not be displaying our flag. They really have no rights to it then.

It'd be like a Canadian living in Canada and flying the Mexican flag. The flag really doesn't have any bearing on their heritage, so they don't need to be flying it.


BTW, would anyone be upset if I flew the Union Jack, knowing the atrocities and killing of women and children that went on during the Revolution? Would I be labeled as Anti-American or a racist? Just wondering.

 

I would go further than that. Unless one would have fought for the CSA in the War for Southern Independence or at least supported those who did, he should not display any flag of the Confederacy.

 

I lived in the South -- Mississippi -- for 3.5 years,
and both my mother's and father's family are from
that state, but I have no love for that flag. I know
that what it represents to me is certainly not what
it represents to you, so I would have no right to fly
it either. To me, it represents only what my
Northern heritage has taught me, which does not
agree with what yours has taught you.

So if I were a Southerner, I would be mad. I would
be hot, that these people here are desecrating your
flag. I would fight against it any way I could and
not in any way support those who would use it up
here. In fact, if you ever visit here, and I hope you
do, I would suggest that you not be impressed in
any way when you see your flag flown in the
North. Those who fly it here are not being either
supportive or complimentary, and those here who
support its use are not either.