Death Penalty??

Bottom line is, if the death penalty is good enough for God, it ought to be good enough for us.

 

Can,

It is true, God never dropped the death penalty with Grace.

Also, because of the liberal thinking, and emotionalism, is why God's people had so much problems, in Old Testament History. And why we are having so many problems today in America.

It is better to stand up for conservatism, then to fall into liberalism!

And by the way. The murderers, and child molesters get the chair, not the boat!

 

The death penalty is good enough for Marxist China, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and a few other rogue states.

Somehow, I don't think it's God at work in maintaining the death penalty.

 

I suppose you advocate a return to a Monarchy and the continuation of Slavery? What was good for the Israelites 3000 years ago often no longer applies to modern society.

 

Yes, all of Western Europe (as well as Canada, Australia, New Zealand) have abolished the penalty. It is us and Japan against the rest of the 1st world in maintaining the practice.

 

Can,

Since when do we base our beliefs and politics on what the rest of the world is doing? As far as us and Japan being the only ones, well that maybe true! Because we still have some common sense.

And we are being more humane in our death penalty then God was. God wants them stoned, or millstone hung around their neck and thrown into the lake.

Just because YOU FEEL a certain way, does not negate God's Word!

 

You conveniently ignored this.

 

Can,

But there is biblical slavery!

 

Come again? We don't take prisoners of war and force them to work for us. The law in today's society is intended to protect all equally. If one doesn't like the job they are doing in today's society, they can quit. How is this anything close to slavery? And you still ignored the Monarchy statement.

 

Has anybody but me ever noticed that those who are against the death penalty are usually FOR murder of the innocent unborn (generally speaking)?

And how the 10 commandments (red herring) is usually thrown in to justify against the death penalty about thou shalt not kill, but conveniently overlook the fact that "kill" in the 10C pertains to murder (there IS a difference)?

(sigh)

And since when do we care what Europe does? Oh, that's right, when the Supreme Court justices recently decided to look at popular opinion, polls, and European views when ruling on US Constitutionality! (double sigh)

 

Yeah, it's true. And those who want to keep kids alive in the womb are so often happy to kill them after they are born.

In fact, there's a difference between "anti-abortion" and "pro-life".

It's not necessarily a sin when the state kills a murderer, but in practical terms, it's both ineffective, and often a mistake. The pro-death penalty governor of Illinois called a halt to all executions after numerous prisoners on death row turned out to be innocent. In Texas, in the last few decades, a large number of condemned prisoners were cleared before they could be killed. We will never know how many were not fortunate enough, but it's foolish to deny that we saved all of them.

How many innocent people would you be willing to kill, to be sure you killed murderers?

 

By the laws of sinful man, yes. But God's laws NEVER change. Read the OT to see what God said about murder and other crimes. It is the commandments of God that we should follow and as I see it, death for murder is one of them. How many of the loved ones left, feel this way? I would venture to say, only a few.

God Bless........Alex

[ July 24, 2002, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: Alex ]

 

The death penalty was instituted by God before there were any Israelites.

Ken

 

Can,

You have a habit of looking at it backwards.

Killing people to prove killing people is wrong solves nothing.

We execute people for murdering people. It is a punishment for their crime against God and humanity!

 

Suppose a man seized a person and locked his victim in a room, then is caught, convicted, and imprisoned. Would you say "imprisoning people who imprison people is wrong [and] solves nothing"?

 

Gal,

That is a totally different subject, and not even close to being related.

And those who want to keep kids alive in the womb are so often happy to kill them after they are born

Abortion is murdering innocent life.

Death Penalty is the punishment for murdering innocent life.

[ July 25, 2002, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: Justified ]

 

You've illustrated my point; "Pro-life" and "anti-abortion" are not the same thing.

 

Galatian, I disagree. God is both pro-life and anti-abortion! God also instituted the death penalty.

Besides, it is just common knowledge that God is a conservative!

 

There's a world of difference between innocent little babies and convicted murderers, Galatian.

I agree but part of being "pro-life" is protecting the innocent from the violent actions of criminals.

Not true. There's not one known case of an executed murderer ever killing anyone again.

100% sounds pretty effective to me.

As wrong as you are in your other arguments, I have to agree with you here. I believe we do need more oversight in death penalty cases. Not because of large numbers of innocents sent to the gallows (I believe that's still very rare) but, because of the seriousness of the crime and the punishment, we need to do everything we can to see that justice is carried out properly.

An excellent question and one we all of us on the pro death penalty side need to ask.

On the other hand, how many innocent, law abiding citizens' lives are you willing to put at risk for the sake of saving one innocent person from the gallows?

[ July 25, 2002, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: Smoke_Eater ]