Death Penalty??

To quote Don Henley, "There's three sides to every story... There's yours, there's mine and then the cold hard truth."

I (and all credible historians) say that David Barton is wrong. Many Christians say David Barton is right. How do we break the tie? Research what he says. Go look at the original documents that David Barton allegedly quotes. Read them for yourself. David Barton is a master of misquoting and ripping quotes out of context. That way you can eliminate any doubts about bias or honest differences of opinion.

I have done this very thing myself. I have been consistently astounded by the sheer gall and dishonesty of his material. He loves to quote obscure "sources" for much of his work, but just a simple examination of Supreme Court cases (you can find many of them -- from 1893 to today -- on www.findlaw.com) and founding documents will give you more than enough evidence that he is not a credible person. If he is so dishonest with documents that are readily available, what is he doing with the ones that are obscure???

 

THE ANSWER TO THE DEATH PENALTY!

The quickest most economical way of dealing with these perverts, killers, etc...

Find them on the street and execute them right on the spot!

Just like they did with the kidnapper that kidnapped those 2 teens and also raped his stepdaughter!

By the way, God's Word says that kidnappers and rapists are to get the DEATH PENALTY!

And the liberal thinking proved devastating again!

This pervert/rapist/kidnapper/thief/abuser/etc had a history of criminal activity for most of his life, and was still allowed on the street!

But we have to LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, us into danger and the pervert right into HELL! LIBERALS, YA! RIGHT!

[ August 02, 2002, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: Justified ]

 

Lynch law is quick, but hardly justice. The criminal in question was killed by the officer who apparently had reason to fear for his own life or those of the girls.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

Galat,

It is because of the liberal thinking, and compassion for the criminals, (who are not suppose to have the same rights as those who abide by the law), and doing away with God's Law for these types of people, that it comes to things like this and put innocent people in harms way!

And this is why people like me have to take a stand further right then I normally would and that is to offset you liberals.

 

There are societies that practice the kind of "justice" you seek. Iran, Iraq, and Sudan come to mind.

...oh yeah, China, North Korea, and USSR also have that form of "justice".

[ August 02, 2002, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: Candide ]

 

It's those darn founders and their Bill of Rights again! Turns out that accused criminals have all the rights you do. That's really important, because in nations where that's not true, (see a short list in the post just above) all you have to do is accuse someone, and his rights are stripped away, and you can do as you wish with him. Not a good idea. If the Bill of Rights is liberal, then so am I.

That's a very foolish idea, letting your opponents decide your position for you. Do right, and don't worry about what others think.

 

Friend speaks my mind.

I second everything in Galatian's last post.

 

Stub & Galat,

See! Your liberal thinking has rotted away some of your ability to read farther then what you want to believe or understand!

After conviction, they lost their rights as citizens of this here United States of America! And if it was a sentence of prison, then when they were released after their full term was done, then they recieved some of their rights back!

And not only that, but, back then, they didn't hesitate to use the DEATH PENALTY!

[ August 02, 2002, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Justified ]

 

Although I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, it is easy to see that you know the right position to take on any issue. It must be nice to possess your ability to never misunderstand any situation. You say, "it has been proven," that certain classes of people cannot be rehabilitated. Really? When? Or, are you simply commenting on a study you possibly read about in some magazine. Is it possible that the study was wrong? You freely declare who is "reprobate" or who is "demon-possessed." Where did you get this extra-biblical ability to remotely pass judgment on people you have not even met? I'm sure glad that Jesus doesn't share your compassion.

 

Terry,

Multi had just posted some more stats on this subject, different from my studies.

It is titled: "Just some statistics which support my idea." It is here in the Politics Section.

And by the way, my views are based on studies, studing, and talking to the Gaurds, Doctors, Social workers, and District & State attorneys that have dealt with these people/perverts.

As for Demon posessions and a retobate mind, you do your own Bible study to prove right or wrong.

If you find that I'm wrong then you can either post it publically or send me a private email. And I will re-study these subjects, and if I'm wrong, I will publicly acknowledge it.

[ August 02, 2002, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Justified ]

 

Actually, they didn't. It's been tested all the way to the Supreme Court, and convicts still have their rights as a citizen. But they can be punished according to the law. Hence, natural-born Americans can't lose their citizenship or be deported, they must have due process, etc. I know how much you want to believe otherwise, but it's not going to change things.

Even if they made a mistake now and then...

 

Galat,

What in the world is wrong with you!

You bring up the founding Fathers, and I comment on that, and you turn from that subject and come back with the present.

Make up your mind!

It's because of your type of liberal thinking that the Supreme Court has given a law abiding rights to criminals!

You prove my points every time you post! What was ever said in this thread about deporting to another country? You can't even keep the threads straight, let alone your views!

Liberal thinking has put this country into a moral degeneration!

 

Galatian points out the obvious:
Actually, they didn't. It's been tested all the way to the Supreme Court, and convicts still have their rights as a citizen. But they can be punished according to the law. Hence, natural-born Americans can't lose their citizenship or be deported, they must have due process, etc. I know how much you want to believe otherwise, but it's not going to change things.

Galatian observes:
Even if they made a mistake now and then...

Apparently, it's that I'm bringing up facts that you find offensive.

Don't see that. I'm merely pointing out that you are seriously wrong about convicts being stripped of their rights. They get punished, but they retain their rights. Punishment entails a loss of freedom, but it is in accord with the law, and no court has interpreted it to overrule the Bill of Rights.

You're confused because it isn't clear in your head what you think.

Nope. Bill of Rights. And it didn't give rights to us, it merely noted that the rights exist.

Then why are you so agitated? I would think you'd be pleased.

It's one of our rights that can't be taken from us as Americans. I thought you knew.

Bad assumption, goofy conclusion.

Reading your posts, I can almost believe you.

 

The other thing that these "So called Christian Liberials" keep loosing sight of, yes the government has its laws and rules to follow, but that doesn,t mean that we abandon God's Laws and stop standing up for Biblical Truthes.

These people are posting proof of their stupidity, foolishness, and spinelessness to follow their feelings over God's Ways!

When ever I see their type of posting and views, just proves what God said in Judges, some 27 times: "And they did that which was right in their own eyes!"

 

You and I and most everyone else have a religious outlook and a conception of "what God wants". Fortunately, the law doesn't permit any of us to impose "God's law" on everyone else.

We have laws that respect persons, property, and individual freedom, even to differ with important people like Justy on "what God wants".

While Justy is doing that which is right in his own eyes, it's not what God wants. God neither needs nor wants the government to make people "be good".

 

Galat,

Again by your posts you have proved your shallow knowledge and understanding of God's Word.

 

This thread seems to have deteriorated into insults and is therefore shut down. Also, please try to keep threads directly on topic and not debate twenty different aspects of one issue by trying to confuse people.

Thank You,

Joseph Botwinick
Moderator