Debate for "Beliefs on Baptism."

Regarding a post by me over Matthew 28:19-20

After pointing out yet again the Philip of Acts 6:1-7, Acts 8 including a water baptism at 8:35-8, and Acts 21:8, this was the reply

The discussion of manuscript evidence on the lack of authenticity of what is after Mark 16:8 in the KJV would be a substantial distraction from the subject of this thread. Quite possibly, you know that.

Now, I am tired of this whole discussion, to be honest. You have now acknowledged, at long last, that someone other than the apostles were baptizing in water with Scriptural approval. You still maintain that the Lord's command is not to be followed; you have simply changed the speculation upon which you base this.

The apostles are not good reason to suggest doing the opposite of what Jesus taught. Paul reported at 1 Corinthians 4:17 “principles of behavior| in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church” (NBV|ESV). Paul taught to do the things Jesus Christ taught.

Now, you asked who I am. I will tell you who I am. I am a Christian. I follow Jesus Christ. I live my life trying to do the things Jesus Christ taught, exampled, and called for. This includes baptism. I do NOT go on the Internet to Christian websites and tell people not to do what Jesus Christ taught.

Matthew 28:19-20 Jesus says “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, |bautizad = baptize| them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, | enseñad = teach| them to obey everything I have told you| ; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
---NBV|RVA margin and translated|NBV|RVA margin and translated|ICB|NASB.

Behold Luke 6:46-9:

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Every one that cometh unto me, and heareth my words, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who digged and went deep, and laid a foundation upon the rock: and when a flood arose, the stream brake against that house, and could not shake it: because it had been well builded. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that built a house upon the earth without a foundation; against which the stream brake, and straightway it fell in; and the ruin of that house was great" (ASV).​

I am tired of the time I am wasting with this. I am also unwilling to dignify this discussion any further. As far as Scripture goes, there is evidently no discussion to be had. All that has been offered against baptism is speculation -- which you shifted. A Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ's teachings.

The numbers do not lie that I am certainly not alone on this:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=31991
The fellowship poll that I created this debate thread for demonstrates that people who do not believe water baptism is commanded are only a small minority. This argument is unnecessary.

 

I already answered that question
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=907830&postcount=38 .

WHAT? Jesus indicated that baptism administered by people -- which is water baptism -- was to continue forever! There is no record of baptism ever being stopped -- it was to continue forever, as the Lord Jesus Christ commanded.

Matthew 28:19-20 Jesus says “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, |bautizad = baptize| them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, | enseñad = teach| them to obey everything I have told you| ; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
---NBV|RVA margin and translated|NBV|RVA margin and translated|ICB|NASB.
If we are no longer to baptize, then we are no longer to make converts, and we are no longer to teach people to do as Jesus taught. Jesus said "always, even to the end of the age."

I believe that you are taking away from Scripture, but that it is more serious to get on the Internet and tell people not to do as the Lord Jesus Christ commanded.

Let me refer you to Acts 11:26 "the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch" (NASB). The ICB translates the Greek word under "disciples" as "followers."

Behold Luke 6:46-9:

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Every one that cometh unto me, and heareth my words, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who digged and went deep, and laid a foundation upon the rock: and when a flood arose, the stream brake against that house, and could not shake it: because it had been well builded. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that built a house upon the earth without a foundation; against which the stream brake, and straightway it fell in; and the ruin of that house was great" (ASV).​

I am going to say the same thing to you as I did the other individual who advocates doing different than what Jesus taught. I am tired of the time I am wasting with this. I am also unwilling to dignify this discussion any further. As far as Scripture goes, there is evidently no discussion to be had. All that has been offered against baptism is speculation. A Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ's teachings.

The numbers do not lie that I am certainly not alone on this:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=31991
The fellowship poll that I created this debate thread for demonstrates that people who do not believe water baptism is commanded are only a small minority. This argument is unnecessary.

 

Gerhard Ebersoehn and Hillclimber1: I am done. My reasons have already been explained to each of you.

 

Hillclimber1: there are some people who will simply not be convinced that they should be baptized. The polls demonstrate that most people recognize that Scripture commands us to baptize in water and be baptized in water, and that "always" means just that. I do not need to argue the point here. I have better things to do with my time.

When it is alleged that non-`baptismal regeneration' Christians `do not believe in baptism,' I can point to the poll numbers from the fellowship thread I created this debate thread for. That was the point of that poll to begin with.