I prefer the term discussion to debate because debating is so often a waste of time. For example no matter what I say I won't convince the likes of people like Sapper who refuses to read books like TWOTM because it disagrees with his views. So often this is the case with most around here. Baptist Believer wants to learn so he is reading. I have said a thousand times the author will make better arguments and use scripture more so than me because he has more time to spend. Like debating politics I just give up. FB is loaded with so much anti Trump garbage and no matter what I say these liberals and sadly even some Christians will dislike Donald no matter what. So I give up on debating as it's a waste of time.