Since the "defending the military" thread has been closed I'm opening this one to continue where we left off. The US of today has decided to empower muslim extremists that kill Christians and loot churches. What a change from the days you are refering to wouldn't you say? See Libya and Syria for examples. The US of today has decided that American citizens can be detained without charges or trial with secret evidence or no evidence until the "end of hostilities". The US of today has decided that whoever it claims to be a threat to national security can be stripped of their American citizenship. And therefore subject to be "renditioned" out of the country to a secret prison, until the "end of hostilities". We don't torture so let's just assume the worst that former American citizens so renditioned can expect is to have the new "enhanced forms" of interrogation used on them, again until the "end of hostilities" The US government of today has decided it has the power to execute, without charge or trial American citizens it claims are a threat to national security or who is merely suspected I repeat suspected of supporting terrorists. The government of today has of course exempted itself from these laws. As has been proven by government officials who openly support and take payment from terrorist groups that are still listed as terrorist groups on the government's own list of terrorist groups! Talk about utter and blatant hypocrisy! Not to mention lawlessness. And this is just the tip of the iceberg! We're not talking of some rouge government in a far away land claiming these powers against it's citizens if we were you all would most likely be among the first to want send the troops in to overthrow that government and "save" those poor citizens. But seeing as how we're talking about the US government and US citizens you all will bend over backwards to defend and or deny all this. What's wrong with this picture?