Defending our Military

By the way, an Air Force C-130 crashed the other day, killing 4 of the crew members. They were helping with firefighting efforts in South Dakota. They were doing their best to help preserve land and homes of American citizens. I refer you back to post #27 in this thread.

 

You just can't admitt when you are wrong can you.

 

I was speaking of all the towns and cities we've "made war" in since our military became an imperial war machine. Not just muslim towns and cities.

Remember the Maine! in 1898. The Philippines, Guam, Cuba and Puerto Rico came under our control as a result.

1900 military intervention in China. Then there was the Dominican Republic in 1904. Honduras in 1905. Panama in 1908. Nicaragua in 1912. Mexico in 1913. Haiti in 1915, etc., etc.

What do all these military interventions have in common? None of them were waged in defense of the United States. None of them were waged to protect and defend the US constitution. And so with all of "our" military interventions since.

"We" weren't dividing up the muslim's resources Don. The global bankers and corporitos always do that. It's called "reconstruction". Remember Paul Bremer's orders 37 and 39? Here's an article from Harper's to help refresh your memory.

What is considered "good governance" today?

"Greed creates profit, which creates growth, which creates jobs and products and services and everything else anyone could possibly need or want. The role of good government, then, is to create the optimal conditions for corporations to pursue their bottomless greed, so that they in turn can meet the needs of the society."

What was considered good governance at the founding of the United States? It's summed up in . . .

A ragged old overlooked and often mocked piece of parchment.

Every person who enters the military swears an oath to protect and defend the principles in this old parchment. Sadly when one of them actually attempts to honor that oath they are called traitors and it is always "claimed" they are putting the country in grave danger. How Orwellian, huh?

The "solution" to our blatant hypocrisy then as I said before is to swear an oath to protect and defend the global bankers and their multinational corporate raiders who our government and military actually do serve today. At least with this new oath the troops will no longer be mislead about who and what they are about to lay down their lives to protect.

 

No one is saying that the troops never do good, but good does not fix evil. I am sure that the Nazi's during WW2 had some that did good, but the Nazi's were evil. The problem is that our government is stripping away our liberties and the military is turning a blind eye and in many cases helping. Burning bibles, promoting/celebrating homosexuality, limiting what chaplains can say and do, serving under other flags and much more.
Don it is clear that you have an agenda and it is not the constitution or our liberties as you defend the every evil that is happening. Rather then speaking up and out about what is happening you seek to oppress it.

 

In Don's defense I will say that the Nazi's, great propagandists that they were couldn't hold a candle to the modern day high tech propaganda machine that passes for our corporatized mass media of today.

Don is only reacting to the lies that have been passed off as truth for decades. Evidently he believes them still. It ain't easy to swim upstream brother. It's not for the weak, the meek, or the easily intimidated.

He may come around. He can change from a sheople to a people but it won't be easy or pleasant for him. Fear of being called names like conspiracy theorist or traitor is hard to overcome.

Let's give ole Don a break then okay? :smilewinkgrin:

 

As you previously posted to me: When I'm wrong, I'll admit it.

 

I hope it is ignorance as you have suggested, but I honestly have serious questions if that is the case. Perhaps you see something here I am missing so I will give him the benifit of the doubt as you have suggested.

 

If the military is a 236 year old organization of evil, corruption, and dishonor in defending freedom and liberty, why do you choose to use their efforts to exercise your Constitutional rights to free speech by posting on this board?

 

Impugn his character when you've no better argument. Typical.

 

Comparing the Nazis to the U.S. military? Seriously?

Apples and oranges, as you would say.

 

Lady Eagle - I wasn't going to respond to that post; but since you decided to do so, please allow me to add: The 1st Barbary War was to protect US ships and citizens against pirates. Check out the 2nd Barbary War, where the US decided to send ships to defend enslaved Christians.

But hey, we're talking about the US bombing towns and cities, stealing resources, etc., etc. Gotta keep the conversation within parameters, and not mix apples and oranges, ya know.

SaturnNeptune - my apologies. I cautioned you about getting into a discussion, and then I went and fell into it myself.

Arbo - as far as FAL is concerned, don't worry about him "impugning" my character. I've been "impugned" by far better.