Defense Department guide calls Founding Fathers ‘extremist’

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    A Department of Defense teaching guide meant to fight extremism advises students that rather than “dressing in sheets” modern-day radicals “will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place,” and describes 18th-century American patriots seeking freedom from the British as belonging to “extremist ideologies.”

    The guide comes from documents obtained by Judicial Watch and is authored by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute, a DoD-funded diversity training center.

    Under a section titled “extremist ideologies,” the document states, “In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples.”

    Besides a brief reference to 9/11 and another to the Sudanese civil war, the guide makes no mention of Islamic extremism.

    The guide also repeatedly tells readers to use the Southern Poverty Law Center as a resource in identifying “hate groups.” The SPLC has previously come under fire for its leftist bias and tendency to identify conservative organizations such as the American Family Association as “hate groups.”



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/23/d...lls-founding-fathers-extremist/#ixzz2cpf2kg8o
     
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    Yeah that's how it is Rev. If you believe in liberty and the rule of law, you are an extremist and if you also happen to be a white Christian you are the single biggest threat to national security.

    You need to be under constant surveillance while Washington funds and arms Al Qaeda and uses them as proxy warriors in it's regime changing "kinetic military actions" around the globe.

    Google MIAC report. It was written when G. W. was in the WH.

    We're the enemy Rev not Al Qaeda that Washington and it's Saudi partners have been funding and arming and using as an "outside threat" to terrorize us into giving up our liberties and the rule of law.

    How secure does that make you feel?
     
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    So do you think the time will come when the military takes a stand against those who stand for the constitution?
     
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    They already have. Washington has declared war on whistle blowers and journalists.

    My hope is there are enough good decent people in the military and civilian police forces that would stand down in a situation like that. But then there's the DHS that's just chock full of authoritarian loving power drunk thieves and child molesters (google tsa sex offenders) that get off intimidating and lording over us "civilians".

    It'll be interesting to see unfold at any rate. We already live in a spy grid that Stalin and the Stasi could only dream about. Kidnappings and disappearences can't be all that far behind now.

    Strange how much the New World Order is looking more and more like the Old World Order with super advanced technology.
     
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    That is a bit of an overstatement. This President has used those methods but this admin is corrupt. There is no evidence that this behavior is set in permanently. Bush would never have gone after journalists. Not sure what he would do with snowden or girly boy.
     
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    Are you kidding me Rev? Coruption is wide spread and it comes from the top down. The executive rules by decree the courts rubber stamp it and congress votes to give themselves a raise and exempts themselves from the rules they will fully enforce on us.

    We no longer have a functioning republic the government no longer abides by the law. It is therefore lawless and illigitimate.

    I think it's probably hope in vain to think the republican party that has so far shown nothing but token resistance to score political points with "the base" will be different. Obama should be impeached and the biggest reason he isn't being impeached is the republicans know that it would reveal the extent of their our coruption and complicity in thrashing the constitution and bankrupting the natition.

    Say hello to your new authoritarian total big brother police stae form of government.

    The constitutional representative republican form of governmnet is
    a thing of the past but don't worry we'll still be allowed to vote for the people who can arrest us without charge hold us forever or execute us without due process. For awhile.

    Must be rough to just be waking up in Amerika.
     
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    I agree to a point but you take if too far.
     
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    Extremism is not always a bad word. We all know Goldwater's statement on liberty from his '64 acceptance speech.

    'I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!'

    With that in mind the founders of the Republic were indeed extremists. Is that a bad thing?

    I wish media sources would include links in their stories so we could see snippets and quotes in their context.
     
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    I wish people would actually read the op before commenting on it.
     
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    Apologies Rev. I didn't notice that the word 'obtained' was a link. Thanks so much for kindly pointing that out to me my friend.

    Downloading to Kindle for a better read.

    Thanks again for pointing that out.
     
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    The link actually opens the document. For some reason you assumed I didn't read it - I never questioned the writers - all I wanted was a source. When you questioned my reading of it I saw the link - thank you for challenging me to read more carefully.

    The point is that Goldwater was proud to be an extremist - I think the Founders would have as well. I am not so sure that extremism is equal to terrorism.
     
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    There is still no evidence from this post that you read the link in full. When the state dept. lables you an extremist that means our government considers you a threat to the country. Since we now have an extremist president his admin wants to shut down any opposition to what he wants. Instead of working with congress he writes exec orders, instead of leading he campaigns, instead of working with other Americans who disagrees with him he demonizes and lables them extremists.

    He is a Marxist, and he is evil.
     
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    I would heartily recommend reading that actual lesson on extremism on pages 35-46 of the document. I contend that this might be a better basis for discussion instead of a few snippets of information chosen by one media source.

    The document can be found through the link through the word 'obtained' in the article.

    Reading the statements in context may still be seen as controversial, but at least we can see them in proper context.

    Once folks have read that I think we would be better prepared for a proper discussion.
     
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    I take it to far? Where would like me to stop? The republic has been hollowed out. All that's left is the red white and blue trappings. Our national wealth has been stolen. Our jobs have been shipped overseas. Our military is used to enforce the policies of international corporations around the world. The media acts as just another govt agency that conceals the truth from us and pumps out distractions whenever one of the political or corporate elite gets in trouble. The republic no longer functions.

    That's the end of it good bye so long fare well and all that. We spent our time and energy fighting amongst ourselves like idiots while global banks and corporations took over and looted our economy and turned the United States of America into the United Soviet States of Amerika.

    You know I'm right Rev.
     
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    First referencing the Southern Poverty Law Center is enough to bring the document into question all by itself. There is no "context" that place a better light on some of these examples given in the document.

    Obama is looking for a way to shut down opposition plain and simple. Which is exactly why he went on a campaign against Fox News some years back and is exactly why he has now begun a campaign against Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party.

    If you want to belittle that fact in your mind that is up to you. But a reasonable discussion does not ignore that.
     
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    For example, in the section on historical examples of violent extremism the article says 'Besides a brief reference to 9/11 and another to the Sudanese civil war, the guide makes no mention of Islamic extremism.'

    What is doesn't tell is that that only six examples of historical violent extremism are given. All of them since the 1930s. One third of their examples of violent extremism involve Muslims.

    I would only contend that to intelligently discuss the topic we need to read the source, not a short blurb on one news source.

    The lesson plan itself can be found HERE
     
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    And given that Islamic extremism is currently the biggest threat in the world you would think that it would be a prime example. But Obama avoids talking about that to the point that he labeled the attack at Ft. Hood as work place violence. Thanks for making my point and the point of the article.
     
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    How do you think those incidents are presented compared to the other examples on their list?
     
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    It doesn't matter.
     
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