Defining one's terms: "Far right," "Far left"

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  1. rbell

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    OK...let's just be up front: This thread will go one page, maybe, before name-calling and the like begins. I have little hope of an extended discussion before closure (I'm always welcoming of a surprise, though... :D ).

    But here we go...
    • What positions/characteristics do you think makes up a person who you consider "far-right?"
    • Same question, except do it for "far-left."
    • Which extreme do you consider more dangerous?
    • Do you think one is more dangerous than the other? Why?
    • (related to above): What are the biggest weaknesses someone will have if they are "far-right?" How 'bout "far-left?"
    On the Left/Right scale...where do you see yourself?

    Far Left <--10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1....0....1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 --> Far Right


    Shore would be purty if we all played nice on this here thread...
     
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  2. JamieinNH

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    When a person votes down party lines no matter who is in the party.

    When you let one or two hot button issues dictate how you vote without looking at the bigger picture.

    Both of them equally. When you're so far one way or the other then you're out of touch.

    No, looking at this country as a whole, and ALL of our problems, both are dangerous and I don't see either of them being worse or better than the other. They are equally bad.

    The weakness for both styles is that nothing will get done. The only way most anything good gets done in Washington is when the people of the middle, or the not so far right or left" work on something and get is passed.

    In a place like Washington where you have to represent many different people, you can't be so narrow minded and have that tunnel vision. You have to think about the bigger picture, and sometimes you will ever have to vote for something you're against for the better good of the country.

    An example of what I am talking about would be a Tug O War. No one team ever comes up and with one snatch wins... They gradually pull, making ground, maybe losing it some to get a better footing... and then over time there is a winner.

    For the record, I think you should have included in your questions the question I "quoted" you on and answered.

    I am a 4 or 5 on the Right side.
     
  3. rbell

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    For the record, I did.

    :D

    Thanks
     
  4. JamieinNH

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    No Problem! It's a great question and I hope many people respond.
     
  5. JamieinNH

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    Here is a bump for ya rbell.....

    It would seem that people around here want to spew their talk on the forums, but don't want to answer some questions that might help others understand their position...

    Oh well, it was a good set of questions I thought.
     
  6. Bro. Curtis

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    I would put myself as a 6 on the right. I think my personal responsibility stands, free market position bear that out. My anti-war stance doesn't move me, as I found out the hard way that leftists will only be against wars they can blame on conservatives.
     
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    One misconception that most people have is that Hitler was an extreme right winger. That is the furthest from the truth. Anytime the government has strict control over people's everyday lives, that is far left.

    The extreme of being a conservative is total anarchy, not fascism. Fascism is more conservative than communism, but not by much.

    Libertarians are probably a modern day example of far right political figures. They believe that prostitution should be legal, they believe that drugs should be legal, they believe that abortion is a non-issue (which in my book means they support it), & they also believe in dismantling our military. While I had some agreements with Ron Paul, those are areas I disagreed with him on. I will say I respect him beacause when he talks, he's not talking about "Pie in the Sky" type stuff, like Obama does. Ron Paul should have run under the Libertarian Party.

    On the scale the Rbell made, I would rate Ron Paul a +7. He has conservative economic views, but his social views are what I consider to be that of your typical Democrat.

    If I were to rate myself, I would rate myself about a +5. I believe in no amnesty for illegal aliens, abolishing federal bureaucracies (starting with the IRS, Department of Education, & Endowment of the Arts), beef up our national defense & military spending, & making abortions illegal.
     
  8. rbell

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    Thanks for the responses so far.
     
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    It is easier to understand if you draw it on a circle. Yep put 0 (Moderate Centerist) on the top (or 'north') - 5R will be the 'east', 5L would be the 'west'. 10L = 10R at the 'south'.
     
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    <L-----------------------------------C---------------X----------------R>


    L= Any level of socialism/communism that places the people under heavy handed government control. It robs Americans of the very freedom that it was founded on and promotes and ungodly secular society and refuses to acknowledge God under the guise of freedom. Morality is based on expediency.

    C= Those who care little about politics and its effects. They mainly just want to live their lives without all the debate and conflict rising out of opposing ideologies. They typically hold to basic biblical principles based on their limited knowledge of them. Their lack of concern for things outside of their immediate daily lives leaves them open to being beguiled by heavy and sensationalistic rhetoric.

    X= Solid conservative principles that recognize God, freedom, and personal responsibility regardless of consequences.

    R= Anarchy that wants no accountability at any level. They tend to be more secular with little to no recognition of God.
     
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  11. Magnetic Poles

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    I think one axis is too confining. You need two.

    X Axis

    LEFT-----------------------------C--------------------------RIGHT


    And a Y Axis crossing it in the center going from Authoritarian to Libertarian.
     
  12. Bro. Curtis

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    I agree. We are three dimensional folk.
     
  13. rbell

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    I've reported most of your posts.

    Calculus, by definition, is an "offensive post."







    :D
     
  14. rbell

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    HERE is your idea, already done.

    I'm a libertarian, on the conservative side.
     
  15. Magnetic Poles

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    Here is mine. Of course, that short quiz is too short to be very meaningful.
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=3
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 30%.
    [/FONT]​
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...[/FONT]​
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LIBERALS usually embrace freedom of choice in personal[/FONT][/FONT]​
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]matters, but tend to support significant government control of the[/FONT][/FONT]​
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net"
    to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation
    [/FONT]
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations,[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]​
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]​
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
     
  16. Marcia

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    Well, according to that test, I'm a Centrist.

    I would put myself at about a 1 or 2 on the conservative side of the original OP chart, which I guess makes the Centrist label seem pretty accurate.

    But I think I'm only there because I have some views that would fall on the left and also have views that fall on the right. So I'm not really a true Centrist, just a blend!

    I think far left or far right are equally bad.

    I find it hard to categorize this left and right thing because some positions are determined by economic stands and others by social issues. They don't always match.
     
  17. rbell

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    Dang, MP...will a shot clear that up? I've heard "Liberal" is penicillin-resistant now. Good luck.






    :D
     
  18. Magnetic Poles

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    :laugh: Don't worry...I don't think I'm contageous. But you never know!
     
  19. Bro. Curtis

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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.
    [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...[/FONT]​
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LIBERTARIANS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] support maximum liberty in both personal and [/FONT][/FONT]​
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one[/FONT][/FONT]​
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.[/FONT][/FONT]​
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose[/FONT][/FONT]​
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate[/FONT][/FONT]​
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.[/FONT][/FONT]​
     
  20. Ed Edwards

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    The first person mentioning the ease of Five Dimensional Integral Calculus will be fried :laugh:
     

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