Delay is Done!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by go2church, Apr 4, 2006.

  1. go2church

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    Quick go and check CNN or Fox of MSNBC, they are reporting that Delay will not seek re-election!

    Be sure your sins will find you out!

    It looked like he was going to hang on for nasty fight, but started polling lower and lower and lower then suddenly decided to withdraw, reason given...the people of my district deserve better. Yeah right! This had nothing to do with the fact that people are seeing you for what you really are a liar and a cheat!
     
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    We'll see. I'll bet you a hundred push-ups that a Republican fills that seat.
     
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    At least it won't be Delay!
     
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    There once was a time that a person was Presumed Innocent UNTIL proven guilty...

    In the political area that is not the case...

    While there are two sides to every story...

    This prosecutor is seen by many to have been and still to be on a proverbial witch hunt...

    As to whether there is or is not a republican in that seat...

    Right now with all the compromise with vaules and chickening out of a good fight...

    I'd just as soon have all the Republicans put out on their ears and replaced with Morally Conservative Independents...

    I mean, as Republican as I am, I have great agnst over Jim Deminted and Graham Cracker here in SC...

    It doesn't matter whether it is Demoncrats or Repugnantcans are in office the Blus Collar worker continues to lose any hope of the American Dream...

    And, the economy is only good for Mexicans and Rich People!

    Mike Sr.
     
  5. Scott J

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    What exactly is it that DeLay has been PROVEN to have done so far?

    Regardless of his guilt, this act either reflects repentance, putting cause/country ahead of self, or both... Something the Democrats don't do and aren't forced to do by the press as they should've been.

    Examples: The press should have forced Clinton to resign... the way they have DeLay. Not for Blue Dresses and non-sense like that but for- Rose, the travel office, sexual harassment/attempted rape charges, Chinese campaign funding and associated technology paybacks, FBI files illegally held in the White House, etc.

    The press looks the other way for Dems.

    With a press that was already hostile, I can imagine that even if DeLay is completely innocent it would have been too much to live through. The mainstream media can now go on patting themselves on the back.

    Thomas Sowell wrote a recent article that directly reflects on media's partisan behavior on reporting: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/are_facts_obsolete.html

    Are facts obsolete? What a sobering question to have to ask about the institution that is supposed to be the ultimate check against big, intrusive government.
     
  6. Scott J

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    Not true... Clinton was presumed innocent even after it was categorically proven that he had perjured himself.

    You don't get it do you? Only mean ol' Republicans and their "vast right-wing conspiracy" are capable of such despicable things... Why didn't you know that Ken Starr was the devil incarnate?
    I am neither... and the economy is good with the exception of fuel prices which were long overdue for an adjustment. Not saying I like it... but they hadn't matched inflation for more than 20 years.
     
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    You must not be in the US! I'm far from rich, and I'm not Mexican, and the economy is good. My mutual funds are gaining at a nice rate, I'm getting a raise of $3/hour in one job, and the business I own just got a nice, juicy new contract. The only real drain is the confiscatory tax rate to support so many handouts, and the constant clamor for more taxes. If I got to keep the money that I pay in taxes, I wouldn't have to work two jobs.

    Oh, and on the list of Clinton crimes, you forgot to mention perjury to a grand jury, which is a felony, no matter what it's about.
     
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    I took a 33% cut in pay to keep my job because there simply weren't any others available at the time...

    In South Carolina... In the United States...

    And, I am training Mexican Engineers to do my job in Mexico! Hows that for a corporation playing nice?

    I've seen my fuel costs pretty near double since taking this long haul commute to feed my family.

    So, no, this Blue Collar Electronics Professional with over 35 years of Hands On Experience isn't exactly enamoured with our economy right now...

    Yes, I am just now starting to (finally) interview... Problem, I've expended my saving and can't afford to move... Or, fix my cars to pass the vehicle inspections where we might be going...

    If I were not a Christian who has in the past seen God put such a mess into beauty before...

    I would have given up ages ago..

    But, I know, for this Christian He will make a way where there is no way...

    He's done it before He'll do it again...

    But, what about the non-Christians?

    Don't you think non-Christians are feeling a bit of a morale hit?

    Mike Sr.
     
  9. go2church

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    For the record, Delay has been "found guilty" of ethical violations in the house. Although I don't think "found guilty" is the proper term. There was a violation of finance rules in Texas with a PAC that he was working with/ for/ whatever the word. If I'm remembering correctly, someone else fell on the sword, but Delay was clearly involved.
     
  10. Scott J

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    "Morale hit"?

    You said the economy was bad. "Morale" can be, and usually is, created by influences other than the immediate reality. The immediate reality is that wages are rising and unemployment is at historically low levels. New business start-ups and success ratios are relatively high as well if I understand right.

    So why the bad "morale"? I would say that part of it is because we don't get non-stop touting of how strong the economy is from the media the way we did during the Clinton scandals. Every new revelation was accompanied by the mantra "but the man's doing a good job... look at the economy".

    Presidential impact on the economy is overblown to start with. Decisions they make seldom have effects within 4 years. If any President had any effect on creating the "Bush recession" it was Clinton.

    My fuel costs have doubled as well... just like everyone else here. You aren't by yourself in dealing with the problems you describe. Pretty much all of us are to one extent or another.

    You at least have a healthy job market to look for a job. My last company in Atlanta cut me about 3 weeks after 9/11... when even companies with legitimate needs/openings stopped hiring. But to be honest, I didn't blame the government, Bush, Clinton, et al for my hardship. I found another job, learned some lessons about life and business, and went on.

    I am not trying to give you a hard time nor turn a cold shoulder to your problems. They are real and very burdensome. I can sympathize very much... but you really won't do yourself any favors by blaming Bush or the gov't for not fixing the problem for you- adding that load on top of what you're already dealing with. About the best thing gov't can do is get out of the way. Any time the gov't starts talking about "helping you", be certain that the price is more than what you see.

    [ April 04, 2006, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: Scott J ]
     
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    So basically you are saying he was guilty by association, right?

    If he "clearly was involved" as you say then why didn't he face charges then?

    I am not justifying the involvement with the unscrupulous... but is it really consistent to declare DeLay guilty of something that is pretty commonly winked at when others do it?
     
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    I agree with Scott. We do not know enough about Delay to know or not. Its not real smart to associate yourself with those kinds of aids, but who knows the inside story. He has been villified for years by the news media, and may not have the most charasmatic personality on earth. But he has spoken out on Christian values, so lets just wait and see. As a matter of fact, if one has listened to him, its hard to think of any politician that has been more adamant about his faith.
     
  13. go2church

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    Christian values! What Christian values are those?
     
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    If you will read the post before you type, I said he has spoken out or given speeches on Christian values, not that he practiced them. I said lets wait and see where the truth leads. Hey, your state elected him, just like GW.
     
  15. Scott J

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    The kind that the radical left... comprising much of the media and virtually all of the Democratic party leadership detest.

    It's would be funny if not so sad that the media has tried and convicted DeLay for doing things that they consistently ignore(d) in Bill and Hillary. For instance, when did DeLay sell the Lincoln bedroom for political contributions? When will the media pick up on the fact that there are serious and persistent questions about Hillary's fund raising activities?

    No. A charge against a conservative... and in particular a professing Christian conservative is considered a conviction.
     
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    Did a web search...

    --September-October 2004: DeLay is admonished by the House ethics committee on three issues. The panel chastises him for offering to support the House candidacy of Michigan Republican Rep. Nick Smith's son in return for the lawmaker's vote for a Medicare prescription drug benefit. It also says DeLay created the appearance of linking political donations to a legislative favor, and that he had improperly sought the Federal Aviation Administration's intervention in a Texas political dispute.

    An admonishement is not a finding of Guilt...

    An issue is not a Charge...

    In the eyes of his peers he had comported himself in a manner they felt didn't look quite right...

    And, they told him so...

    Had there been *real* charges with a finding of guilt he would have been impeached and removed from office...

    He wasn't.

    Mike Sr.
     
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    The last straw, it seems, was the guilty plea of yet another DeLay aide. This one, it seems, is willing to talk.

    I think he finally faced reality. He'll be lucky to stay out of jail.
     
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    There are other possibilities such as knowing he probably wouldn't win (and if he did, he'd be, as Newt put it, "just one among four hundred and thirty-five") and, instead of spending his campaign money on a losing campaign, he can spend it on his defense instead.

    That's as false as every overly broad generalization is.

    They tried. The press attacks those in power.

    In your fantasies, but not in the real world (linkie).

    Blame the media for the message (linkie).

    Bob Somerby has an entire web-site of daily columns, complete with links to the original sources, dating back to 1998: http://www.dailyhowler.com/h123098_1.shtml
     
  19. Scott J

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    There are other possibilities such as knowing he probably wouldn't win (and if he did, he'd be, as Newt put it, "just one among four hundred and thirty-five") and, instead of spending his campaign money on a losing campaign, he can spend it on his defense instead.</font>[/QUOTE] As far as I know, campaign funds can't be used for legal defense. Can they?

    The fact is that he probably would have won his district and it is pretty doubtful that he is going to be convicted of anything worthy of jail time.

    That's as false as every overly broad generalization is.</font>[/QUOTE] No. It is a very, very valid generalization. I don't believe it is a conspiracy or anything like that. People just naturally tend to be less critical of those who believe like they do. Most of the mainstream media are liberals and vote Democratic.

    The news coverage of Clinton's scandals was very frustrating. You virtually NEVER saw straight, fact-based news reporting. The coverage consisted of a heavy dose of "the accusers say", "the defenders say". The portrayal was that it was just another Beltway mudslinging contest... The MSM didn't pursue Clinton like they did Nixon or Reagan nor like they are Bush.

    The Loris or FBI file scandals should have been more than enough for the media to force him to resign... but they didn't want his resignation and didn't want to harm "the cause".

    They tried. The press attacks those in power. </font>[/QUOTE] No they didn't. They grudgingly reported what they had to... but showed no stomach to go after any of a number of things that would have put a Republican out of office. Along with those already mentioned, if a GOP Prez had had a top advisor "commit suicide", chose an unqualified enforcement agency to investigate that completely botched the crimes scene, and left that many unanswered questions... the press would have eaten him alive.

    In your fantasies, but not in the real world (linkie).</font>[/QUOTE] "Villagevoice"... [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Blame the media for the message (linkie).</font>[/QUOTE] Not really. I am perfectly fine with the media pressuring elected officials to be honest... as long is it is done in a non-partisan way. The charges against DeLay even if true pale in comparison to a great number of things that Clinton did. One guy gets ridden out of office... the other gets apologized for.

    If you want to say that "Clinton did a good job" then every story about DeLay should have been qualified with "DeLay did a good job". Whether you agree with him or not, he moved ideas forward.
     
  20. Scott J

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    BTW, that last whining article had pretty much nothing to do with the subject. In fact, it evidences just more of attack the accuser/prosecutor/jurists rather than the offender that so greatly characterized the whole Monica ordeal.

    I actually agree that Monica was a stupid distraction from much more troubling accusations... but the GOP probably thought it would be the simplest, most direct path to remove a felon from the WH... They underestimated the power of a complicit media.
     

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