Due to the great effort Brother Joseph has put into his responses I would at this time like to respond in this thread, primarily because the other thread was closed (and not to Moderators, if you could open that again it would be appreciated). The original posts can be viewed here. First, I would ask you to address the point made. I said... You are shifting the focus and in so doing evade answering the question. In view is the fact that the free gift came upon all men, which means no-one is restricted. As far as being justified that applies only to those who believe, and does not change the fact that the free gift came to all men. And I have highlighted what you have stated was "left out." Not exactly. In v.16 the simple point is that "the free gift is of many offences unto justification." We do not have to impose that all men are justified, just what it states, which is that "even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men." Thus my interpretation is not so much interpretation, simply conveying what the text actually states. Let me ask you this: do you consider yourself above those that are wicked, love violence and, and work iniquity? Were you free from these charges before you were saved? After you were saved? The reconciliation is pretty simple, it is because of our sin, of which all we stand guilty of before Holy God, and despite our sin...Christ died for us. It is true that an unbroken pattern of refusal to repent leads to God withdraw from sinners, however, we can distinguish between the Covenants and what was available to men under them, as well as understand that it is expected that God would hate sin and those who commit it. Lastly, you have yet to show why the text does not mean what it states. Here it is again: Romans 5:15-17 King James Version (KJV) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Just as condemnation came to all men, so too the free gift has come upon all men. That does not mean that all receive the free gift, only that it is available to all men, which corresponds to the rest of the New Testament teachings that show men receiving the truth and rejecting it, with a particular emphasis on rejecting the Ministry of the Comforter, Who is at this time, and exclusively in this Age...convicting men. And that conviction does not necessitate regeneration. And I apologize, Brother Joseph, I read your message got about it, lol. I am about out of time, and reposting the posts is going to take some time. Hope you're having a great holiday, and I will get back to this as time allows. God bless.