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Democrat Aligned Group Calls Petraeus a Traitor

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Sep 10, 2007.

  1. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

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    It is one thing to speak out against the Bush Administration. It is quite another to mock and disparage an Army general who wishes he had nothing to do with politics, and whose only interest is our freedom and protection. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
     
  2. pinoybaptist

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    And those are two very different things.

    I think its time for moveon.org to move on.
     
  3. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    The Democrats do not debate or criticize. They malign and impune the character with those whom they disagree. There is a clear difference between the two. They continually give aid and comfort to the enemy. That is evident by the verifiable fact that every time Osama Bin laden speaks he repeats the Democratic talking points. Well you Dems certainly have Osama on your side. Good job guys.:thumbs:
     
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    Not to mention he was unanimously approved by both sides.
     
  5. KenH

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    One side calls the other side traitors. The side that is called traitors then calls the other side traitors.

    Such is the state of political discourse today in these United States. :(
     
  6. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/11/moveons_mccarthy_moment/

    MoveOn's McCarthy moment
    By Peter D. Feaver | September 11, 2007

    IN THE SPRING of 1954, the US Senate convened hearings at the instigation of Senator Joseph McCarthy to press his anticommunist investigations into the Department of the Army. The hearings were broadcast live on television, and the American public was able to witness firsthand the tactics McCarthy used to intimidate his foes. At a critical moment in the hearings, a key governmental witness, Army lawyer Joseph Welch, rose to defend one of the junior Army lawyers whose career, Welch alleged, McCarthy had destroyed. Welch turned to McCarthy and memorably intoned: "Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

    SNIP

    Let us be clear. It is legitimate to grill Petraeus on his testimony and to ask him tough questions about the strategy he has been pursuing. It is legitimate to disagree with him, or to conclude that an alternative course of action has a better chance of advancing US interests in the region. Healthy civil-military relations do not depend on accepting uncritically anything a senior military officer says. Quite the opposite, they depend on a full and frank exchange of views.

    It is not legitimate, however, and it is exceedingly corrosive of healthy civil-military relations to question the general's patriotism when his views differ from yours and are inconvenient for one's political agenda.

    This is a defining moment for the antiwar faction. They can continue on the path on to which they have veered, repeating some of the worst mistakes in American history. Or they can make a clean break with the past, police their own ranks, and promote a healthy, critical, public debate about the best way forward in Iraq.
     
  7. KenH

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    I couldn't agree more. :thumbs:
     
  8. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010592
    Our New National Divide
    America's soldiers are committed to the war. But they're not going to lie about its progress.

    BY OWEN WEST
    Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

    EXCERPT

    The public recognizes this blessing. In July's Gallup Poll on America's most trusted institutions, the military ranked highest with a 69% confidence rating. Congress ranked last (below HMOs), with a 14% confidence rating.
    So it was surprising to see that, according to an August CNN poll, 68% of Americans said Gen. David Petraeus's congressional testimony on Iraq this week would not sway their personal view one way or the other. Worse, 53% of Americans do not trust him to report what's really going on in Iraq, according to a USA Today/Gallup Poll published Monday.

    This wrenching inconsistency indicates a deeper problem than a fickle public or an inherent distrust in hierarchy. The poisonous partisan climate in Washington has seeped beyond the Beltway and is now harming the public's trust in the institution that will continue to sacrifice most in the coming years. Extremists from both political parties have used Iraq as a zero-sum emotional battle for votes instead of putting the battlefield in proper context.

    The evidence of this is the blatant absence of common ground. First, the Republicans declared the enemy in Iraq defeated before we started fighting, later employing invective to attack rational critics of the order of battle. Then Democrats declared the war lost just as we employed a new strategy. Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, has been especially careless, declaring defeat last spring, labeling the new strategy and the surge in troops a "failure" before it began, slandering an elite warrior in Marine Gen. Peter Pace, and continuously undercutting Gen. Petraeus--most recently dismissing his forthcoming testimony as "Bush's report."
    Monday's MoveOn.org advertisement, which depicted Gen. Petraeus as a traitor, has been dismissed by Sen. Reid as an inconsequential distraction.

    But according to the Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan research group, the ad reflects the growing distrust of a Democratic Party that may be taking cues from its leadership. Last month 76% of Republicans expressed confidence in the military to give an "accurate picture of the war," while only 36% of Democrats did.

    This explains the collective skepticism surrounding Gen. Petraeus's comments but does not excuse it. For while the country can thrive as a politically divided nation, its ability to defend itself diminishes alongside faith in the fidelity of the military. The unbalanced portrayal of the conduct of our soldiers has done damage enough. To impugn our warriors' motives as political is thoroughly corrosive and hurts all Americans.
     
  9. Don

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    You did catch that I was responding to someone else's question, right? You did read the rest of the response, correct?

    I heard on the radio this afternoon that Mr. Reid intends to present a plan that will "fix" the Iraq situation.

    Anyone know where I can find Mr. Reid's military history/record?

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    Never mind. None of the biographies I found on him mention any military service. Which makes him infinitely qualified to run a Vietnam-like war.
     
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  10. carpro

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    Yes, I did.

    Your statement just happen to be one that I could use that was in line with my thinking at the time.

    I know where you stand on this issue and appreciate it.:thumbs:
     
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