Democrats Pushing Constitutional Amendment

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  1. Judith

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    This is the Democrats war on freedom. I wonder why they hate freedom so much.
     
  3. Judith

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    For the most part they are socialists. Some are communists, but the republicans also have some socialists and a few who lean towards communism.
     
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    Nothing surprises me anymore. Obama and his cronies have brought much evil to our great country. They get more bold as time goes on. No matter what happens we must remain true to God.
     
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    Both parties feed at the same trough, some lean this way and others that but they're all corporatists who serve the banks and corporations save for a few and even those are questionable.
     
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    The liberals are winning the war for the minds of those who vote. Note posts #3 and #5. Here the argument is made that there is no or little difference between Republicans and Democrats.

    However consider this: The vote for Obamacare demonstrated that there are no "blue dog" or "conservative" Democrats. They just talk the talk and vote conservative when the vote does not matter to give them cover in red states. And the voters in the red states get hoodwinked again and again.

    Yes, there are RINO's in the Republican party, and just go with what is necessary for election. But which should be back, the guy who votes with us 70% to 90% of the time and is electable, or the guy who would vote with us 100% of the time and is not electable. The road to success is paved with partial victories.

    Bottom line, just do not vote for any Democrat, because they are enslaving us to an ever more unrepresentative government, taking away whatever freedoms you hold dear.
     
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    The argument in post number five is simple.

    We have two parties that serve the same banking and corporate interests. It's their master's agenda they are implementing neither party gives a hoot about what's best for "we the people" it's what's best for the banking and corporate elite. The only points of contention between the two parties is how their master's agenda of control should be implemented.

    We do not have a freedom and liberty party in this country. We have two authoritarian parties bent on serving the needs of those who want to control everything we see, hear, say and do.

    That is not freedom, there is no real choice. That is double barrel tyranny. I do not believe one form of tyranny is better than another. Tyranny is tyranny. Whether it comes from the left or the right should make no difference.

    You can spin or misrepresent this simple argument however you like but it does not change the fact both parties serve the same banking and corporate masters at our and much of the world's expense.

    The article says democrats want to do away with the first amendment. Read some of the arguments from "conservative republicans" on this board. They are very active in doing the same thing they accuse democrats of doing.

    They work very hard to shut down any debate that doesn't support their own agenda of authoritarian control over other's lives. I don't know what you call that but I call it hypocrisy.
     
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    Wow, I searched to see what the ACLU stance was on this, couldn't find anything. That means this is really bad.
     
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    Hi Poncho, yes your argument against corporate greed, is part and parcel of the Communist manifesto. It is not the corporations who are taking away your freedom, it is the ever increasing government. In the last century, these central control governments murdered more than 30 million people.

    In the USA, recently it came to light four were allowed to die in North Africa, and perhaps 40 more in and around Phoenix AZ.

    You seem to be yet another of those Democrat voters, filled with scape-goat hate of corporations, unable to see truth.

    A few years back a voucher system for funding education was put before the voters, and the California votes voted it down by a margin to 2 to 1.
    Back then, the California schools were ranked about 40 out of 50 with 1 being best. Now we are at 45 out of fifty, or even worse. But do any of those Democrat voters realize their mistake? Not a chance. Where did the massive funding to defeat it come from? Why the Teacher's Union and the Democrats.
     
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    No actually I've never voted for a democrat. I supported George W. Bush the first time around.

    I used to be like you believing all the republican talking points and railing against the ever present threat of liberalism. Then a strange thing happened.

    The republicans went all crazy after the "crazies" came to power under Bush and turned the majority of limited government conservatives into torture approving, endless war loving anti freedom authoritarians.

    That's when I woke up. The lines you just threw out there are about as outdated as my old made in the USA Pro Keds sneakers. Me thinks you need to shut down and reboot your memory and bring it up to speed.

    It's not communist to state the obvious. The banks and corporations own both parties. Where do you think they get all their campaign money from?

    How do you suppose the government would get us into ever increasing amounts of debt if it weren't for a private banking cartel loaning them money it creates from thin air whenever it wants to pile more debt on us for endless wars, and propping up the world's dictators with foreign aid? Foriegn aid is unconstitutional. Look it up.

    And yet neither party has any qualms about stealing our labor and children's future to fund and arm the like's of Islamic extremists that we're supposed be locked in mortal battle with.

    I understand one of the prevailing neocon (real true conservatives are few and far between these days and modern day "republicans" can't stand them) talking points and debate tactics is to label anyone that stands up for the constitution without making allowances (excuses) for the republican party's many violations of it a "communist".

    But that's all it is. It's not based on facts and there fore is not based in truth.

    At their core both parties are corporatist authoritarians. That means they just want to gain control of the government so they can control every facet of your life. Makes no difference which direction tyranny comes from tyranny is tyranny.

    Neither side likes me because I keep shedding light on their hypocrisy and the crimes of their favored political team mates. Neither side likes me because I am still four square against fascism after they've all learned to accept it or just keep looking the other way.

    My speaking out against it no matter how many times you hear it said does not make me a "communist" it makes me one of the few here who claim to be patriots that actually still honors my oath to protect and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.

    Most of them will argue in favor of violating that which they swore to defend for their own political agenda of "beating the liberals" or winning wars that only the banks and corporations benefit from because they have bought into all the government and media fear mongering. Yet they still claim to be patriots.

    That's hypocrisy any way you slice it. (CLICK HERE for a little glimpse of said hypocrisy) Pointing out their hypocrisy does not make me a communist. It makes them hypocrites in desperate need of changing the subject to hide their own guilt.

    The question is what are you? Are you a patriot that defends and protects the constitution all the way or are you one of those who will claim we need to violate it for the sake of expediency or a bit more safety?

    Are you one who sticks to his constitutionally limited government conservative principles no matter what other's call you or are you like the majority in the democrat and republican herds that will sacrifice those principles in a New York minute to win an election or start and or maintain another unconstitutional illegal war or other wise meddle in the affairs of other nations?

    Do you believe the bible is the word of God? The bible says in a matter of fact way that "the borrower is servant to the lender". Translated to modern day English that means the government is the servant of a private international banking cartel. Not the other way around. Unless you believe God is a communist too.

    In that case I don't know what to tell you besides watch out for lightening. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    And what about this . . ?

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=93457

    And what about this . . ?

    Goldman Sachs and the White House

    The following list was compiled by Nachumlist.com and published in May 2012. With a new Obama administration taking control after the first of the year, the below names will change somewhat. Many of the current White House staff and paid advisers will go back to their Wall Street firms, such as Goldman Sachs. While new Wall Street power players, many of the same individuals from previous Presidential administrations, will take their place.

    http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42012/list-of-goldman-sachs-employees-in-the-white-house/

    Look at em all feeding at the same trough together.

    Looks like both political parties rather enjoy their "special relationship" with the bankers and corporations.

    Question, if by pointing out the fact that republicans are in bed with the bankers and corporations makes me a "communist" what does pointing out the fact that democrats are in the same bed being shared by the republicans, bankers and corporations?

    Oh wait let me guess . . . a "conspiracy theorist" right?
     
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    Hi Poncho, you cannot avoid the truth by posting an avalanche of nonsense.

    You believe the bankers (are they Jews) control the Federal Government. How about those bankers associated with the bankrupt institutions?

    I said blaming the greedy corporations rather than the central control government for our problems is straight out of the Communist Manifesto.
    1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
    2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.
    4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
    5) Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
    6) Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.​

    There is a great deal of difference between Republican and Democrat doctrines. For you to deny it is to deny the obvious.

    You are correct in pointing out W Bush spent borrowed money just like the Democrats. This makes him a RINO, and not a Republican. But first we need to elect Republicans, and then when in control of the house and senate, stop our slide toward slavery to a central control government with the power is murder the governed.
     
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    :laugh: Doctrine? :laugh: What part of both parties work for the same bunch of greedy oligarchs don't you understand? Here's the "doctrine" corporate monopoly and centralization of government power into the hands of a few banksters and corporitos. You need to learn to read the signs and toss out those old ideas about communism and fasicsm. It's a whole new game today and it's called control by corporation. Corporate fascism for short. What do ypou think the term "public private partnership" is? Never heard of it? Gee if not you must spend to much time focusing on the "liberal" threat. Public Private Partnerships are all the rage now. Boiled down it's fascism. The merger of corporate and state power. But this time it's not the government who wields control as in Hitler and Mussolini's day today it's the corporations calling all the shots. They're the ones in control.

    Look politics in America today is like two crime families competing for the same turf. They both agree that keeping the business going is tantamount. They each have their own ideas about how to run that business and they will have turf wars where they have bloody battles against each other for control but they will all unite as one family when the business itself is being threatened.

    Do yourself a favor stop looking at the surface of the thing and look what's under the water line.

    Bot parties are fascistic, corrupt to the core and controlled by the same globalist (one worlder) oligarchs through their monopoly of control over the fiat money supply.
     
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