demons versus mental illness

Also, the drug Ativan is used for anxiety and panic disorders. It is also used as anti-nausea medication while taking chemo treatments.

The drug Tagamet is used for ulcers and also for hives.

It always surprises me that a drug is found to ease the pain of one ailment and a few months later, it is used to treat various symptoms.

I praise God that He gives the scientists knowledge to discover these new drugs and doctors the wisdom to know which drugs to prescribe.

If one's illness is from demon possession, NO medication is going to ease the symptoms. David wasn't the only believer in the Bible to suffer from depression...

 

THeories abound, but no...they don't understand the cause as of yet.

I was just pointing out that we can actually see a structural degeneration of the brain in a post-mortem examination of an advanced Alzheimer's patient.

I misunderstood your post, I guess.

 

I have been face to face with people (plural) who were demon possessed.
My sister (a pagan witch) WAS one of them.

Your assumption the demons are the ones uncomforatable around believers is lacking ALL biblical proof. We KNOW they were uncomformitable around Jesus Christ in the flesh. And We know from scripture a demon possessed woman followed Paul (indwelt with the Holy Spirit) around telling everyone to hear what Paul was speaking for Paul was preaching the gospel of salvation. After a few days of that, Paul turned and cast the demon out.
Doesn't sound like she was to uncomforatable now does it? Here it is:

It isn't the leather bound bible with words in Red the demons fear and tremble but that to which the believer will speak those words of faith from.

 

Can anyone say "election year"? I can think of at least one person this describes....

oooops wrong forum.

 

The 'Second String' Bible says:

Sirach 38:1-7 (KJV1611 Edition):
Honour a Phisitian with the honour due vnto him,
for the vses which you may haue of him:
for the Lord hath created him.
2 For of the most High commeth healing,
and he shall receiue honour of the King.
3 The skill of the Phisitian shall lift vp his head:
and in the sight of great men he shalbe in admiration.
4 The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth;
and he that is wise will not abhorre them.
5 Was not the water made sweet with wood,
that the vertue thereof might be knowen?
6 And he hath giuen men skill,
that hee might be honoured in his marueilous workes.
7 With such doeth he heale
and taketh away their paines.

 

Sounds like your second string bible advocates herbal remedies, Ed. I wouldn't disagree.

 

Your right, the information is out there for anyone to read, I've posted it enough over the years here. Problem is they don't read it. Apparently some have a hatred toward medicine and doctors. Yet I am sure they use them for themselves and their families. It's just fine for people to make their own medical decisions, they should, but here on the BB you aren't a chrsitan if you use doctors and medications for diseases, and other people get to pick which diseases and which medications for you. They know nothing about you and your condition, but they make spiritual judgements about you, and medical diagonsis and treatments, different then your doctors, thats pratcing medicine without a license, and one guy a few months ago tried to claim it wasn't illegal to pratice medicine without a license, when he told a woman on here she had to do something about her condition differently then what her and her doctor are already doing and she was sinning by not following his instructions.
There is certainly a difference in types of depression.

 

You should figure out what practicing medicine is.

 

Do you believe it wise, even Christianly, to guilt a brother or sister in Christ to disregard medical advice because you may or may not believe it is a sin? Especially without having any prior physical knowledge of one's medical history? That is very dangerous ground, imo. Besides how exactly does it help another in Christ to be berated when they are already obviously suffering and struggling spiritually? Take the thread Benz started because he was having suicidal thoughts, for example. At most we should be offering godly council in love and understanding. Under no circumstances should we berate another for their decision to see a psychologist or psychiatrist and make them feel sub-human and evil. That benefits no one and could even be classified as a "holier than thou" prideful spirit. It certainly is not Christian.

 

FP,

Do you think it wise to send someone to a medical doctor before telling them to place their faith in the Lord? Do you think it wise to send someone to man to give them pills for depression when Jesus Christ is the Peace Giver?

But if I remember correctly, it was not Benz who said anything about seeing a psychiatrist. He said a doctor. It was people who are supposed to be witnessing Christ who were saying he needed to go to a psychiatrist for his depression.

Andrew was responsible for bringing people to Christ, not pointing them to man.

 

Are you trying to 'guilt' me into agreeing with you? I sure don't know what instance donnA is refering to, so I wonder how you do. But I do know that giving advice is not practicing medicine, no matter how bad she wants it to be.

 

James, this is one statement I can agree with you on wholeheartedly.

 

HBSMN,

I would never tell someone to place their faith in doctors ahead of the Lord, nor would anyone else on here, I daresay. I believe we can still seek peace from Christ even if we have seen a medical doctor. Afterall God has allowed advances in medicine and technology for the benefit of people, and that includes the field of psychiatry. I understand you disagree and I respect that. However, when someone is so obviously crying out for help, such as Benz, is it more important to offer advice in love and kindness, or to argue and berate to prove a point? Offer your advice, as you believe Christ wants, and if the person chooses to see a doctor pray for them. You certainly will not be helping them by telling them they are not really Christian and sinning against God. The only recourse is to take up the cause in prayer and supplication. We cannot convict someone no matter how hard we try.

 

Amen, Sister FilmProducer -- you are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:


We are here on earth to EDIFY each other, not berate each other.

 

Sister donnA has won the debate.

Good Goin' Sister donnA! :thumbs:

 

Which debate was that, brother Ed?

 

No you are free to hold whatever beliefs you so choose and I will not care. I don't know what instance Donna is referring to, but after reading enough of these threads I have begun to see a pattern. Some people, not necesarily you but in general, are so concerned about proving a point that christian love and understanding is thrown out the window. In threads, such as this one, it doesn't really matter, but in those threads that were started by people so obviuosly struggling and reaching out for help it makes a huge difference. Besides there is also a difference between offering advice and telling someone that they are sinning by following a doctors orders, which unfortuinately has been done. Suppose that was said to a weak christian who really did not know any better? What if they did discontinue the treatment and sufered sever consequences, because afterall none us really can know someone's medical history, nor are the majority of us doctors? How do we know that they were not seeing a Christian doctor or specialist?

 

I suppose it all depends on your world view. If psychologists are smarter than the bible, then I suppose it would be wrong to tell someone to trust God over the miserable physician.