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  1. Jedi Knight

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    I meet a famous christian musician the other night that was doing a bible study. After wards he started talking about spiritual warfare like casting out demons still and there is a demon in this and over there. I don't believe there is a demon behind every bush but what's your thought if someone thinks like that? Do you have a different view how demons interact with us today?
     
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    I believe there were demons at the time of Jesus Christ and the casting out of them were a manifestation of His Deity. I don't believe there are demons today, that is one proof of the binding of Satan.

    One thing is certain, Saints cannot be possessed by demons!

    1 John 4:3, 4
    3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
    4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


    30-40 years ago when the charismatic movement was hot talk about demon possession was a big thing!

    Believers have enough to deal with other than demons: The old man isn't dead yet!
     
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    I'm believe my freshman year biology teacher had a demon.
     
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    OR, when do you think Satan was bound? The Apostles were still dealing with demons after Christ's ascension. Personally, I believe that demons exist and walk the earth today. I believe they are literally everywhere (not to be confused with omnipresence, I just believe there are a bunch of them), just as angels are all around. But I am leery of anyone who tries to point them out. I do believe they can possess someone, or attach themselves to items. But not nearly as often as some would have you believe.

    A related anecdote: my daughter was complaining of seeing monsters and moving shadows. I chalked it up to childhood fear and imagination. After a few days of her having nightmares and complaining about these things, I started poking around. She can't read yet, but had taken my "Book of Mormon" I had for study purposes (as in studying what they believe) and hid it under her pillow to hide it from me. I took it and burnt it. The problem went away immediately.

    Does this prove demonic existence/possession/attachment? No. But it's compelling evidence to me.
     
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    The devils are still around, because the Bible says in the latter times people will give heed to "seducing spirits" and "doctrines of devils"

    1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    The supernatural is real. It is not something we should tamper around with.
     
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    I think there are still demons roaming the earth today, and possessing people. Perhaps not as prevalent in countries with a lot of Christians, but certainly more common in pagan countries. Just listen to stories from missionaries.

    As to people that think there are demons involved in abundance, I think they are mistaken. I guess I would ask them why they believe this and ask for some proof.
     
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    Likely iffen he was from Bloody Breathitt!
     
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    Matthew 12:24-29
    24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
    25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
    26. And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
    27. And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
    28. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
    29. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.


    And then there is Revelation 20:1-3.

    Didn't have to be a demon did it? Of course it is possible her dreams were caused by knowing she had hid something from you!

    Some years back one of my teen age granddaughters was given one of the children's editions of the Left Behind series by her paternal step-grandmother. She got so she was afraid to go to sleep. I knew the cause and said so to my daughter. But I did not blame it on demons!
     
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    Well, I'm pretty sure it wasn't an angel. And I've ruled out fairies, nessy, and bigfoot. It's possible it was a leprechaun. No evidence to rule that out. But my personal opinion is that it was demonic.

    Edited to add: see, now you went and edited your post, so mine's not funny anymore.
     
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    I don't buy the "demon is causing bad dreams" but this guy did.
     
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    I think he's pretty charismatic. I was surprised because he was teaching pretty solid stuff till he hit that subject.
     
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    Here's my two cents worth, basically empirical data.

    I give the gospel a LOT. I have probably witnessed to over 50,000 people in the last 10 years. I say that to say this, when I am talking to someone about their relationship with Jesus (or, lack of relationship) there are 2 times where the interruptions happen consistently. This is so consistent that it is spooky.

    If there is going to be an interruption, it will come (1) when I ask someone if I can share some verses with them to show them how they can be sure about heaven or (2) when I ask someone to put their trust in Jesus to get them to heaven and to forgive their sins.

    The interruptions can be a child crying, a dog or cat wanting attention, a phone ringing, a friend walking up to talk. But, the absolute, hands down, most often times the interruptions come are always on those two points.

    So, yes, I think there are still demons active today.
     
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    Some folks see demons behind everything. Usually they are rather charismatic.

    I believe demons exist in the world today. I believe they function in a number of ways, but they are not as widespread as many of my charismatic friends believe. Sometimes stuff breaks because it got old...not because of a demon.

    As I've encountered demon possession, I personally have seen an exorcism where a demon had possessed a non-believer and it was manifesting itself in spectacular ways. The demon was cast out and the person changed, then became a follower of Jesus.

    Sometimes I think our understanding and conception of demons, and Satan, is more informed by writers like Dante than writers like the Apostle Paul.

    They do exist in the world and operate in specific ways, but when my car breaks down I'm taking it my mechanic and not my local Pentecostal camp meeting. :)
     
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    I've noticed that at my church. The pastor is wrapping up the sermon, giving the call to action, the personal questions about whether or not you've trusted Jesus as Savior, and yes, the babies start crying, as if on cue. Mostly quiet babies the entire sermon but when it comes time for people to be introspective and examine themselves to see if they are in Jesus or not, the crying starts. One week a woman had a heart attack right in the sanctuary.
     
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    satan and his demons are not being bound right now, as evidenced by those heresies such as WoF they keep getting into the church!

    And also seen by how they can inspire ISIS to kill off the bethren
     
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    The following is taken from the book by Anthony A Hoekema, The Bible and the Future, pages 228, 229, for those who don't understand what the "Binding of Satan" mentioned in Revelation 20:1-3 means.

    I have posted Scripture on numerous occasions showing the binding of Satan by Jesus Christ but some don't want to accept that Scripture, apparently because it does not comport with their doctrine!
     
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    There's a tendency to give the devil and his angels way too much credit, think we've got them all figured out-- where they are, what they do, who they 'have'--and historically the results have been cruel and despicable, leading people to hate the church and leave it.

    Man himself is evil enough. Don't blame the salesman for you buying his product when you knew it wasn't right for you.
     
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    Perhaps the mothers are ready to go home and pinch the babies, just a little, then blame it on a demon!
     
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    The bimding of satan happens in the revelation, as he will be bound up during that reign of jesus here on the earth, as NONE will go against the Lord and the true Gospel during that time, as ALL nations and peoples will worship God and Jesus...

    All of that happening today yet?
     
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    When I was caught up in the Word of Faith movement, all we heard about was "Spirit of This" and "Demon of That".

    I always thought it was funny that we would keep binding the Devil and the same demons over and over. Apparently, we didn't bind them very well, because they kept getting loose.

    I remember at the Creation Festival one year, some other staffers and I were praying to rebuke the rain and send it away (no, I'm not kidding) and rebuking the Devil because, surely, he must be causing the rain to put a damper (no pun intended) on our good time.

    Didn't really occur to me at that time that (a) God sends the rain or that (b) God might have sent that rain as the answer to some local farmer's prayer.

    But, boy, we sure were full of ourselves for sticking it to the Devil!

    Speaking of Christian musicians, Carman was a very popular figure in the WoF movement at that time, and every other word out of his mouth was about the Devil or demons. He even had a song comparing Christians to gunfighters and "killing" the Devil. Like most of his songs, ridiculous and ridiculously Unbiblical.

    Personally, I don't see any reason to attribute to the Devil or his demons is much more likely attributed to the sinfulness of man.
     

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