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Discussion in 'Baptist History' started by rlvaughn, Jun 15, 2001.

  1. rlvaughn

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    thanks for the links!
     
  3. rlvaughn

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    Do any of you know of websites for any of the other LESS KNOWN groups of Baptists? They would probably prove very interesting.
     
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    Thanks for the links "rlvaughn".

    Clearly, this would be a great place to gather all the different groups' links.
     
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    I am researching other websites for sub-groups of Baptists. I will add these and others to the first post on this topic. So WATCH for new links to be added to the first post.
     
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    For those of you who have researched these different types of Baptists, what would you say is the predominant differences between them?
     
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    A LITTLE BACKGROUND

    r5dots, the first step I will take toward answering your question is to give a little background that builds a foundation for the differences among Baptists in the United States. The major origin of American Baptists is the Baptists of England. English Baptists fell into two basic categories: (1) General Baptists and (2) Particular Baptists. The General Baptists held that Christ's atonement was in general for all men predicated upon their repentance and faith. The Particular Baptists held that Christ's atonement was in particular for only those elected by God to salvation. Both kinds of English Baptists came to America and established churches. Two early controversies among Baptists in America were the laying on of hands (after baptism), and the seventh day sabbath versus the first day of the week. This created two more kinds of Baptists - the Six-Principle Baptists (for laying on of hands as an ordinance) and the Seventh Day Baptists. The Particular Baptists came to predominate the Baptist scene, especially through the influence of the Philadelphia Baptist Association. They became known as Regular Baptists. The General Baptists became almost extinct. The element of them that survived in the South became known as Freewill Baptists (the present day General Association of General Baptists came from Benoni Stinson and others, Regular Baptists who adopted the general atonement position). In the North, there was a strong Free Baptist movement that came out of the Regulars, and flourished in New England. Most of these New England Free Baptists would in the early 1900's become part of the Northern Baptist Convention (now ABCUSA). The Great Awakening led to an influx to the Baptists of people that held some positions not common with the Regulars. They were identified as Separates. The Separates and Regulars set aside their minor differences and united around 1800, and agreed to be called United Baptists. The great push for missionary and benevolent societies, theological seminaries, and other movements brought dissension among the "United" Baptists, and this dissension brought division. Those in favor of these movements were in the majority and generally continued to be called Regulars, though they were called Missionaries by their opponents. Those who looked on these movements as unbiblical innovations came to call themselves the Primitive (meaning original) Baptists. Upon the heels of this division, the Regular (missionary) Baptists would again be divided, this time geographically. The Baptists were unable to withstand the political upheaval going on in the nation over slavery and other sectional issues. This created the Northern and Southern Baptists (although the Northern Baptists did not adopt a convention system until early 1900; the SBC was organized in 1845). A few Baptist groups of today have a somewhat different background because of ethnic origin. This includes the National Baptist Conventions (African-American), the Baptist General Conference (Swedish), and the North American Baptist Conference (German).

    These facts provide a basis for some of broad categories I used in my first post on "Baptist Groups in the USA". They are from Albert W. Wardin's books and not original with me. Broad divisions among Baptists are that they divided (1) theologically over the atonement; (2) geographically; (3) over means; and (4) by ethnicity. Then there are divisions within these broad categories.

    I will plan to post more on the subject later.
     
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    Thank you so much for the wealth of information! [​IMG]
     
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    The Progressive National Baptist Convention was forgotten about and so was the National Baptist Convention of America
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nat'l Baptist Guy:
    The Progressive National Baptist Convention was forgotten about and so was the National Baptist Convention of America<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    National Baptist Guy - I have found a website for the Progressive National Baptist Convention, and added a link to it (See above in the first post). I have not found a website for the National Baptist Convention of America. If anyone finds one and lets me know, I will add it as well.
     
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    Here is a website concerning our Baptist Heritage. It has information on different Baptist Groups, Historical Societies, Educational Institutions, etc., as well as history and a dictionary. Some parts of the site are still under construction. Check it out; it's very good!
     
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    There is a lot of missing and miss information on that site. The most notable is they list Pillsbury Baptist Bible College, Owatona, MN as ABC! The MBA would have a fit if they saw that! [​IMG]
     
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    Thomas,

    According to Pillsbury History the school was opened and operated by the Minnesota Baptist State Convention. Isn't that an ABC body?

    What other "misinformation" did you find. Overall I thought thew information was balanced and accurate, although I did see some things that the Trail of Blood crowd might dispute.

    Joshua
     
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    PBBC is owned and operated by the Minnesota Baptist Association. It is a state association of Independent Baptist Churches. The MBA was part of the old Northern Baptist Convention until the late 40s when it separated from the NBC. It has never been part of the ABC.
     
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    Thomas, I have contacted Mr. Bill Sumners concerning the error on the Pillsbury BBC, as well as about a few other places that were at least lacking in information concerning Baptist Groups. I do not feel that the people putting this web site together want to deliberately misrepresent. We shall see. Some things can be pointed out as wrong facts, such as the Pillsbury reference; other things I might consider misinformation is based on a different interpretation of historical facts.

    Joshua, I can probably be painted with the trail of blood crowd brush, and I do dispute certain interpretations made by those of the English Separatist origin and Anabaptist (only) origin theories. But, this is a great web site that I believe will only get better.

    In several places on the Baptist Heritage site, addresses are made available so persons may contact them with new information or to relate errors, etc. at the site. If any of you do not personally want to contact them, I will be glad to write concerning errors if you will provide good documentation showing the problem.

    [ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: rlvaughn ]
     
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    In 1854 the churches of the Minnesota Baptist Convention (now Association) formed a Baptist University to train folks on the "frontier" to reach their communities and for missionary outreach to Indians. Minnesota Central University, the oldest school of higher education in the Territory, was started in Hastings, MN.

    After the Civil War the school fell on hard times. George Pillsbury, of the famous family, was a deacon at First Baptist, Minneapolis. He built and endowed a number of buildings on the hill overlooking Owatonna, MN.

    The school's name was changed to Pillsbury in his honor. Its trustees are all elected by the annual meeting of the messengers from MBA churches. It has gone through various perimutations over the years, but in 1957 (after the closing of Northwestern Schools founded by W.B.Riley) emerged as the premier training center and a Baptist bible college.

    It associated in loose form with the Conservative Baptist movement away from the liberal Northern Baptists (it was still known as Pillsbury Conservative Baptist Bible College in 1965 when I attended).

    It functions simply as an educational arm of the MBA today. I was Professor of Practical Theology there from 1996-2000 and attest to its solid foundation as ifb.

    As a student at Pillsbury BBC
     
  18. Jeff Weaver

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    Bro. Robert

    Here is a wee bit of historical data on the Mountain Union Baptists. One of these days I'm going to write a book on these folks.
    http://www.ls.net/~newriver/nrv/mtnunion.htm

    Here is a small web site I did on the Christian Unity Baptist Association, most of which has merged with the Separate Baptists in Christ.
    http://www.ls.net/~newriver/nrv/cuba.htm

    And for what it is worth, the information on the Regular Baptist web site from Appalachain State University (my alma mater) is not terribly complete or accurate. A better one, IMO is here: http://www.folklife.si.edu/97fest/baptists.htm

    And yet another of interest, you may not have discovered is about one particular No-Hell Primitive Baptist congregation in Carter County, Tennessee at this URL:
    http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnhawkin/Stoneycr.html

    Hope some are a bit helpful.

    Jeff
     
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    Jeff,

    Thanks for the link--a very interesting site!
     
  20. rlvaughn

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    I have added a link to the Old Bethlehem Association of United Baptist Church of Jesus Christ to the first post of this topic. It gives articles of faith, links to some of the churches, and other information. This is one of the older style United Baptist Associations.
     

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