Denominationals differences?

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  1. AAA

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    What is the difference between the Southern Baptist Church denomination and the Fundamentalist Baptist denomination?

    One F. Baptist preacher said that one of the differences will be that we prefer the old traditional tyle songs hymns and the SBC is going more towards the contemperary songs of today.

    1. What are some of the other differences between the two denominations?

    2. Are the Fundalmentelist the same thing as "Independent Baptist"?

    I myself, was raised in the SBC and spent over 20 years there.

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    You're in luck. We just hashed this question to death in this thread.
     
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    Thanks, i will read that thread.

    So I take it that the independent baptist are the same a fundalmentalist baptist?
     
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    In most cases yes. I realize there may be some that are not, but around here, the terms seem to be interchangable.
     
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    What a broad term. Dictionary term or your interputation term of differences. Since this page is about Baptist, I feel that you need to go way back in history to see where we came from. To my understanding the baptist beliefs came from Armenia area-North-Eastern part of Turkey and between an area of Soviet Union country. On the earliest record was that they were called General Baptist. Then as they grew--sections broke away. The Blacks were not allowed to participate in services and evangelize. So, the South formed the Southern Baptist and the Blacks formed the North American Baptist Association. Also the Northerners then created another division called the Independent Baptist. Also, in the North another seperation of Baptist caused another group to be known as we know them today as the Seventh Day Adventist. So, are all different? Yes. Some are controlled by Government, others by doctrine, others by a personal war on US soil called civil war, others decided to go the TV and radio evangelism way and get the degree from schools developed thru the TV 800 channel club and as such, others went independent to evangelize via charismaticism way and other went thru covenant ways, etc. Are they all different? YEP! Are they all baptist? Who now claims to be the original Baptist on American soil? Who declares they are the true church of Jesus Christ as well as in teaching the apostiles to go, spread the good news as well as Jesus talking to Paul, known as Saul who never meet Jesus and started churches. Paul never declared it Baptist! So, Acts 15:18thru 20 is very, very important for all of us to get to heaven, listen: talking about us gentiles--Who are turning to GOD, 20: but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled and from blood. NKJV.Bye!
     
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    You didn't learn that by reading the thread I gave the link to.

    If you read it, you will learn that there is a lot of overlap, but some differences in emphasis and style. But not everybody in a group will be the same--so even if independents tend to have narrower standards about lifestyle, that doesn't mean that some SBCs won't also have equally narrow standards.

    "Fundamentalist" is a tricky word. People use it in different ways. Read the thread.
     
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    You are way off on your history!!! For one thing, the Southern Bap were formed (about 1840 ?) beacuse Slaveowners were not allowed to be missionaries. The Northern Baptist convention was not formally formed until the 1900's. The North Americian Bap Conference was formed basically by German Baptists, not by Blacks.
    Black denominations basically formed in southern States. Regional groups merge into the national Baptist Convention of Americia at a 1895 meeting in Atlanta. There was a division over the adopition of a charter and ownershiop of a publishing house. Thus in 1915 the National Baptist Convention USA was formed. A new Black group was formed in 1988; the National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
    The Seventh Day Baptists were formed in the late 1600's.
    I am not sure which group you are talking that was formed due to the War between the States.

    There are dozens of Baptists groups. Some have major doctrine differences, some are regional, some are differences of operation.
    I suggest you get the book "Handbook of Denominations" by Frank Meade. You will find it very informative.

    The one thing all Baptists have in common is that we all are Independent!!!:thumbs:
     
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    I am so sorry that I erred. You may be right about the time frame of "Conferences" being ordaned. I was really refering to a group of men setting sail from London, England in the latter part of 1739 for the sole purpose of the deeply convinced of sin, and earnestly groaning for redemption for thoseon the Western shores of the new British world as we now know of United States of America. So maybe the historian that read the ship captains log book of his passengers was wrong. I was talking about before the two wars with Britian. The 1776 war or taxation of the colonies goods and services (using us as their slaves- since we were out casts from the jails of British holdings). The other war of 1812 which the colonists won and got the lands taken away from British holdings.
    Now let us reason together that are all these denominationals the same or different? With my point of view of what information I have gathered, the answer is an emphatic, YES. Why? All these changes and seperations only do what? They create a believes seperation from GOD. These new doctrines and laws have showed God's people how futile it was to think that they could or can get to Heaven by their own works--by keeping all these new programs, laws, doctrines, principles, and so forth. Now are you ready for me to set the fire works? God very clearly said in Galations 3:19, 23 thru 25 that FAITH has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Why? Because all sinners who repent and accept Jesus has their (Who soever) Saviour are now under the Royal Law of Jesus of LOVE. The differences of our chatting is that we all need unity of our hearts. Read Matthew 5:17 thru 18. I forgive you of your soreness and I love you in the LORD. Bye.
     
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    ]None of God's people will or can be separated from him by any of their actions, right or wrong, because in the first place, none of their actions caused them to be God's people.
    God chose them, they did not choose God.
    Separation is a Biblical order. We are to separate from erring brethren.
    But like anything God says, fallen man corrupts His words, so that previously loving brethren will separate from another due to the slightest imagined infringement of doctrine or practice.

     
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    RE:Denominational Differences?

    There is another denomination that, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't been spoke about in this thread....Old Regular Baptist. Now, there are several associations of the ORBs, but one in particular I am well aquainted with, Sardis Association of Old Regular Baptists. The reason why I brought this up is because I grew up in their churches and I know how they started. The New Salem Association of ORBs started years before Sardis did, so Sardis wasn't the first. Sardis Assoc churches broke from either the United Baptist or Primitives one. I am thinking the Primitives. I went to church with an old man whose granddad or great-grandad was the first moderator of the Sardis Assoc. It all came about because the Primitives believed in predestination, and probably still do. W.W. Fields and some other churches left and started the Sardis Assoc. W.W. Fields stated that anyone who did not believe this "Hellish" doctrine could come with him. His Grandson or great-grandson told me this. He died in 1998 so I have no way of finding out more. I truly miss him too. He was such a light tome!! A lot of people think that the ORBs are calvinistic, but not to the extreme that most believe. They believe that once you get 'man' out of the way, you will be saved. It takes God 100% to save a man. They just don't believe that all you have to do is confess the Lord to be saved. They believe that once you give the Lord your WHOLE HEART you will be saved, and not anything less than that. They believe in feet washing as well. They don't believe/preach a backslide. They don't use musical instruments in church, as well. Take care all! May God Bless!! John 3:16:1_grouphug:
     
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    Pinoybaptist: I concur on some of your points of view, fact that God has the Holy Spirit convict us and that in Scripture when Jesus Christ was praying to the Father in the garden--requesting that this cup be taken away as well as a prayer to Jesus Father in Heaven that whosoever you gave me that NO Man taketh them away from ME! Look also in John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me (JESUS)+ [a man on earth], that ALL which he hath given me, I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING ---means that you and I and the others reading this site includes them---, but should raise it up again at the LAST DAY. We are talking about a time element here on earth. So, some folks do rather interpute this time frame differently. But it is God's law of when the time will be. Not us.
    Again I am sorry that I walk on toes but I am repeating what the Bible says in the King James version. Now about seperation and I said that I believe it a sin. Why? Let us turn to 2nd Timothy chapter 4: We read:- Paul is talking about his death in veerse 6 thru 9 and then in verse 10 Paul is telling us that " For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thes-sa-lo-ni'ca; Cres'cens to Gala'tia, as well as Titus unto Dal-ma'tia. Let us look at this a minute of verse 10--It is an indication that Paul's church was a unity but one believer loved the world. Now we also read in the same verse about Titus. Why? Is this an association problem? No! Because in the Bible we have Paul fortifying Titus as a believer in the Gospel of TITUS--Paul, a servant of God and an apostile of Jesus Christ etc. in verse one and read Verse 4: To Titus, mine own son after the Common FAITH etc. WOW! So that was why I said what I did on this chat room.
    Ops, I forgot back at 2 Tim:4:10 Paul talks about places where Demas departed to--notice an alarm I feel Paul is telling us--false gosip's etc. this place called Cres'cens were of the Island Crete in Greece. NOw look into Titus1:verse 5 "For this cause left I thee in Crete. Why? to set in order the things of a messed up church by Demas. Issue is on Paul's death bed the love of all the churches body that needed a revival to get peace back into the body of Christ. Not a denominational seperation that is the subject matter of this chat room. Bye
     
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    Gosh! Convicted1--What a event in the family you under went. Praise God you are still a brother with us in faith of Jesus Christ. Thru it all Phil 4:13. I weep over that area and those churches. Your family must have also wept. But here we are now talking to each other by this computer--amazing! Let me share about weeping--God heard King Hezekiah in the old testament. In 2nd Kings 20:5 when the king prayed and wept God see's all and God said: I have heard your prayers, I have seen your tears. Also in the new testament Paul said in Acts 20:19 at Ephesus--serving the LORD with all humility, with many tears. and in Corinthians churches in 2nd Cor. 2:4- for out of much affliction and angusih of heart I wrote to you, with many tears. You know I was raised and taught in miltary service that I was not allowed to make tears--If on sweat came from that area --I was punished. Now that I have accpted Jesus--and Jesus wept John 11vs 35 --means it is okay as belivers that we can weep for one another--get involved and emotional with other christians--as I have done with your respones to me.
    On the other issue about being snared I wish that you would turn to the old testament to Deuteronomy chapt 12: 29 to 32. Why? It is returning to God's commands. vs 32 is What thing soever I command you, observe to do it, thou shalt not add thereto nor diminish from it. So, what is this saying? It is the ten commandments and now in 2007 we are to practice the royal law of LOVE. So, please put aside what others think nor let it bother you. Can you forget it --NO! Can I forget the hurts in Battle for my country? NO. Why? We are human and God made us so we can recall our errors or fears etc.Thank you for sharing you denomination things.Bye.
     
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    Denominationals differences? What is the difference between the Southern Baptist Church denomination and the Fundamentalist Baptist denomination?

    One F. Baptist preacher said that one of the differences will be that we prefer the old traditional tyle songs hymns and the SBC is going more towards the contemperary songs of today.

    1. What are some of the other differences between the two denominations?

    2. Are the Fundalmentelist the same thing as "Independent Baptist"?

    I myself, was raised in the SBC and spent over 20 years there.

    Dearest "AAA": A few folks on this this tyread line has inspired me to really check into this conroversy: DIFFERENCES!

    Let me explain my point of view. I went online to find these differences. Guess What? Their are a lot of differences in all of us with a reason. Remember Now It is the Holy Spirit that has led certain people to change the ongoing attitude and beliefs as well as hindering the "GO and Teach" that Jesus commanded us believers to do. Watch where I go to get your anwsers.

    I cranked up the computer and went to "encyclopedia.com". The history is around 1524-1526 When peasants attacked the Martin Luther reformers from the Roman Catholic church. Now remember these peasants have now have a French and German language scriptures and others are reading the bible to them. They now get to understand Gods ways verses the old churches way. Luterism only touched a part of the new wave of church believers. Now read what happened in "encyclopedia.com" about the new groups of believers that DEMAND BAPTISM!! Not under Roman Catholic control. This new group started in Zurich in 1525 called protestant and begining term of Anabaptists, meaning rebaptizwers. Oowwl- defied the roman Cath. church that they were already baptiszed in that church under POPES laws. How dare they do this! They also banned the Sword because they believed that they only needed the Sword of God's Word as told in the bible. OUCH! again. What ? Now the priest of R.C. under the pope is not allowed to interpute for them? You got it!! Then this group started another movement by aSchleitheim Confession in around 1527. What?? No Roman Catholic priest to hear my confession!!!
    Wait more to come--we have not even got to colonia america's.Communes started called Hutterian Brethern, called Brethern Churches in U.S.A. today as well as the Menno Simons group called Mennonites, along with Hans Denck the anabapists, which because of such stirring up of Kings and Pope soilders wars that most folks fled to England as out casts. Then 1600's from Holland led by John Smith, called the English separatists started the first Baptist churches. Out of Amsterdam they fleed to England in 1611 and called the believing body as General Baptist. They still held the Arminian belif that the atonement of Jesus is not limited to the elect only, But is general. I reckon that you and I are considered General rather then under the POPE's laws and doctrines. Let me finish later. Bye.
     

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