Destroying your understanding of a most favorite salvation passage

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  1. Browner

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    Romans 8:
    28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
    29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”

    “This verse (28) surely ranks as one of the greatest verses in the New Testament. … If we do not love God and are not called according to His purpose, then the promise of this verse is not for us. … Here (in 29) we see God’s main purpose in working for our good in all things. His ultimate purpose for all of us who believe is that we might be conformed to the likeness of His Son … that is, that we should become like His Son Jesus.”
    (The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, Chariot/Victor Publishing, 1996)

    Jesus said those who love God will keep His commandments!
    “If you love Me, keep My commandments …
    He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him … He who does not love Me does not keep My words” (John 14:15-24)

    “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” (1 Corinthians 2:9)
    “But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.”
    (1 Corinthians 8:3)


    Continuing on 6 verses down …

    Romans 8:
    35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
    37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
    38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
    39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    “No one can separate us! Except for sin, there is no other circumstance in this life that can separate believers in Christ from God’s love … there is, in fact, one thing – a thing which God did not create – that certainly can separate them from God’s love. And that one thing is sin. If we continue knowingly in some sin and refuse to repent of it, that sin will most definitely separate us from God’s love and bring upon us God’s terrible wrath and judgment. Before we were Christians, we were separated from God because of sin. We were God’s enemies. Then, after repenting of our sins and believing in Christ, we were reconciled to God. But, if we fall back into sin and continue in it knowingly without repenting, we are in danger of again becoming separated from God. And on the day of judgment, that separation will become permanent. Of all the promises in the Bible, the promise of verses 38-39 is one of the greatest. But we must not think about a promise without also thinking about the conditions of that promise. It is good to remember the promises of the Bible, but we must not forget the warnings!”
    (The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, Chariot/Victor Publishing, 1996)

    Therefore, I suggest that you come out from under the leadership of the hireling who is pretending to shepherd you scripturally, and come into the light of the Scriptures! And start up a serious home group of enlightened believers

    “conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear” (1 Peter 1:17)
    “For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; but the face of the Lord is against those (everyone!) who do evil.” (1 Peter 3:12)

    Yes, everyone who is sinning without proper repentance is not righteous in God’s eyes!
     
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    Wow - Totally ignoring the very verses you posted. Incredible. Read again Romans 8:38-39 and tell me again what can separate a child of God from his Father.
     
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    Sin can separate him/her ... as many dozens of NT verses attest to!
    It is high time for you to WAKE UP!
     
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    So then we CAN be separated and Romans 8 is a lie.
     
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    Since when is sin a who?
    Too bad Romans 8 doesn't say,
    "Absolutely nothing, nor anyone, can separate us ..."

    But, of course, Romans 8 (and all other passages)
    must be "seen" in relation to the whole of the NT.
    But, this fact is way beyond your understanding.

    Since you're not a brother, this doesn't apply to you:
    “Brethren, do not be children in understanding”
    (1 Corinthians 14:20)
     
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    She's a fellow believer. Are you trying to slide one in there suggesting she is not a Christian?
    Or do you think that Paul wrote that passage with only male Christians in view?

    "Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults." (NIV)
     
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    The Nearly Inspired Version slipped in the sisters,
    vich ain't in the Greek.
     
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    For 1 Cor. 14:20 the NET, AMP, NCV, NLT and NRSV all have rendered the Greek as "brothers and sisters."
     
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    This is not only a total misunderstanding of this passage but of the Covenant nature of salvation .
    As posted you are describing and works gospel.Goodvworks are.ordained if GOD BUT NOT FOR salvation.
     
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    Who are you talking to? Who is the "you" and who, specifically, is the hireling?


    Are you part of the home church movement?
     
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    As an adopted daughter, I knew that nothing could ever make me not my father's child. Yes, I wasn't his blood daughter but I was his daughter and that's what mattered. I disobeyed him. I was still his daughter. I made him angry. I was still his daughter. To this day, over 50 years since he said "Yes" to the question of whether or not he wanted this baby that was going to be born, I have and will always be his daughter.

    Is God less of a father than my father is? I absolutely don't believe that. We see with the Prodigal Son that never was this young man NOT his father's son.
     
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    Now that's funny! You declare we have no understanding of scripture and you think 1Cor14:20 doesn't apply to women. And you want us to take you seriously??
     
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    If you had the first clue as to the historical disastrous condition
    of "the church", you wouldn't be asking such questions.
    It all began with Satan deceiving many "uncalled" men
    to lead the churches and do away with God's Plan to
    evangelize the world (and heal people of their maladies).
    No surprise, for he is "the god/ruler of this world/age"!
     
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    It says "Brethren", not brother. Are you saying that I am not amongst the brethren? Who are the brethren that I am not included with?
     
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    Okay, I will concede on this matter.
    NKJV says "brothers", and I didn't think twice about it.

    Now, may we get back to the OP?

    It's incredible how my threads get side-tracked.
     
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    Well, when you make absurd accusations are they supposed to be ignored?
     
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    So you are saying that verse doesn't apply to me since I'm a sister and not a brother? Or are you saying that I am not of the brethren?
     
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    I wouldn't talk if I were you. You make absurd statements and accusations all the time. Like what you told about my saying I have read something. which I didn't.. Your attempt to try and dishonor me. You are a real fine example of accusations. In fact it's what your good at. Accusations
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    I'm just telling the truth. Still reading John Knotts? Are you reading his commentaries in which he disproves Calvinism? LOL!
     
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    Have you read it? It doesn't say nothing can separate us from God,

    It says nothing can separate us from THE LOVE OF God.

    Though nothing can separate a believer from God, that is not at all what this passage is about. The context is suffering with Christ. And it's a promise that God is for us, not against us.

    He has not left us alone in our suffering , He is orchestrating it. What some mean for evil, God means for good.

    Nothing here about eternal security
     
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