DID AMERICA'S GAY SINS CAUSE 9-11? YES!

Vaspers,

On one hand, I agree that we sometimes have things out of balance, or in a bad perspective.

Things like "I don't think he's a Christian, he smokes". But the gossiper or backbiter just has a "bad attitude".

On the other hand, I also think it's WAY out of line to draw a comparison between overeating and abortion or homosexuality.

 

Tell that to God. He hates all sin. And gluttony is a sin. "Put a knife to thy throat if thou be a man given to appetite."

The carnal nature is sin and it gets hooked on sports, food, bingo, drugs, pornography, moral superiority, denominational jealousy, gossip, shopping, etc.

Abortion = gluttony = lying = murder = idol worship = witchcraft = drug abuse = wife battering = gambling = inordinate affection = lesbianism = warmongering = con jobs on widows = cheating the poor = taking Lord's name in vain, etc. etc.

sin is sin. no "little white lies" or little white sins to God and His Holiness.

Thanks for replying though.

P.S. I'm attacking myself here. I need to lose about 20 pounds or more. Pray for my stupid appetite sin to diminish. Yikes!! Ha!!

 

So, then, it is just an arbitrary thing that we imprison thieves, execute murderers, and let gluttons like you and me go free?

And that these different treatments are roughtly correlated to the Law of God from the OT?

ALL sin or ANY sin is enough to land us in Hell apart from ghe Grace of Jesus, but all sins are not equal.

 

Not equal in effects on others, or society, true.

But equal in terms of God's commands against them. He said rebellion against His laws is the same as the sin of witchcraft.

We imprison theives and murderers because they make it hard for businesses to operate, and for people to run their lives. We imprison pot smokers for...uh...I don't know why exactly...though I don't advocate any drug use.

Self-inflicted crimes are usually ignored. Hurt yourself, within limits, police don't care.

But us gluttons are doomed soon. Laws on health care will crucify us. We will be denied health coverage and hospital treatment if we refuse to go on a diet and exercise. This is coming fast, from what I see on the news.

IN a spiritual sense, all sins are equal, in God's eyes. It's hard to understand, but gossip is like child molesting to God. Not trusting God to provide for your needs? God killed Hebrews for such a sin, thousands of them in the desert.

Sin is sin is sin, in God's, not in society's, eyes. And God's opinion is our priority, right?

 

Good point.

A falling away may have contributed to 9-11. The US once was a God fearing nation in general. But in recent decades we have turned farther and farther away from Him.

It's not just homosexuality, but it is all sexual sins. When you consider all of the varied aspects of sexuality and consider too that ones sins start with either adultry or fornication, both of which are spoken of in the Bible as forbidden sins.

I noticed too that the author of this thread mentioned neither of these as if neither adultry nor fornication existed. So often adultry is recognized while fornication is over looked entirely.

I blame 9-11 on that falling away of Gods people that causes God to get our attention again.

Renewal, restoration, revival will bring us back into proper focus as a nation.

2Chronicles 7:14 - Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their evil ways, I will hear from Heaven and will forgive their sins and heal their land. -NLT

When you reach the point that you blame your own falling away for the mess our nation is in and ernestly seek out God for the answers to the nations ills, maybe we can begin to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

All change begins with the individual person. Instead of pointing fingers at others and blaming "them", it is high time that you yourself take the responsibility on yourself.

 

My heart is rejoicing to see so many BB posters not taken in by gay bashing nonsense...

...you are spiritually discerning to see that America is full of many other types of sins.

That is good news to me: that so many of us are hip to the REAL sins of America, in addition to gay priests molesting boys, gay marriage, abortion, which are horrible, of course.

Funny how preachers nearly never preach against sports addiction, gluttony, gossip, occult games, witchcraft, even drug abuse: strange silences that speak volumes to us all.

They must think we're stupid.

Well many at the BB are not stupid. Not at all.

Praise God for you good Christian folks! Joy!

 

It is clear, as I pointted out, that God distinguishes between various sins. The OT spells out different punishments for different sins. God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for eating too many cheesburgers.

With your reasoning, moral discernment becomes impossible. If someone in your church is caught cheating with the Partor's wife, they could say "you're ten pounds overweight, so you have no right to judge me". Only Jesus Himself could administer church discipline, but He clearly left it up to us cursers and overeaters to discipline adulterers.

 

Perhaps there is something which would be good to distinguish here? In the sense that all sin is rebellion against God, there is only Sin. 'Sin' encompasses all sins.

However in terms of the effect of different sins upon each of us and those around us, there are some pretty vast differences, and I think perhaps it was these effects which determined the different punishments.

 

Yes, Helen, and I also think it is a matter of perspective:

To a Perfect, Holy, Omnipotent God, the "tiniest" sin is entirely contrary to His very being. But to us sinful creatures, the difference between a "tiny" sin and a "big one" is vast.

Sort of like you on the west coast are far from me on the east coast, in terms of everyday life. But to a theoretical person in another galaxy we are at practically the same spot. Not too theologically deep I know, but I think true in a practical sense nonetheless.


ALSO...GOD views all sin as sin, and any sin at all separates us from Him except for the blood atonement. But I don't think He has given us the perogative to view it this way, hence the biblical differentiations between different sins, and our response accordingly. We put ourselves in God's seat if we try to act from His perspective.

 

This reminds me of those who walk around shouting about the sins of America and how God will surley judge America because if He does not, then He would have to appologize to Soddam and Gomorrah. I chuckle even now, how ignorant do we assume God is? Will America ever get better? no stinkin' way, God has promised that things will only get worse as we approach His end game. Our job is not to make America better so that Christ can return, it is to tell as many as we can about His love for them so they will choose His offer of life over their coming doom. Where do we get off assuming that God favors America because we are Americans and we once served Him collectively? It is time to quit making the Scriptures into the American Prophecy scriptures rather than what they are, the Preserved Word of a Holy God.

 

jshurley, I agree with you about not twisting the scriptures. I disagree with your statement that America cannot get better. Christ's return date is not known to us, it could be tomorrow or it could be many many years inthe future. Not knowing the date, we must assume that we are to be good stewards of what God has given us, which includes our country, with its civil and societal institutions. If the Lord tarries, I don't want out great grandchildren to marvel at our apathy and stupidity at allowing a wonderful nation to go down the toilet.

 

My point remains solid:

preachers avoid preaching against many sins, I guess because they don't want to "upset" key (read:big tithing) members.

Preach against gay sex, gay marriage, porn, adultery, abortions, divorce...

...AND: witchcraft, gluttony, wife-battering, incest, child abuse, sports addiction, gambling, drug abuse, gossip, gossip, denominational superiority elitism, cultish leadership, etc.

 

THAT I agree with.

 

Poor vaspers. PJim keeps agreeing with vaspers. vaspers don't necessarily like all this agreeing agreeing agreeing. vaspers like hot debate. oh well you force vaspers to enjoy unity and peace and hot green tea with buckwheat honey.

 

Whaddaya mean...are ya some kind of idiot???

God bless, I have to get some sleep now so I don't have to catch up on it in church in the morning. Enjoyed your posts.

 

Just be sure you watch out for gluttony!

 

PJim, you better quit making vaspers the IDIOT (in the sense of Dostoevsky's novel of the same name, Prince Mishkin, check it out) laugh laugh laugh so very very much...

...laughing is bad for debating. Ya lose yer edge.

don't sleep in church...your snoring will awaken the deacons and elders!

 

so now we're blaming gays and lesbians for 911? seriously, that's just really low. the evil doings of corrupt leaders does not have the tag of God's wrath on it, if it did then shame on the troops and bush for going after Saddam and Bin because they were simply acting on God's call to judge america. think about what your saying before you say it.

 

Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,
Psa. 33:12a

Let's cut to the core of the problem: America has, for the most part, departed from God and sound biblical principles.

 

onestand: another great enlightened post from you.

this is very sick and twisted: blaming gays for 9-11 when witchcraft and spurious conversionism (alleged "salvation" without genuine repentance) has invaded the churches.

Hold your Harry Potter books and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City and YuGiOh cards high...

...and tell me God is punishing America for gay agenda reasons.

Baloney. The gay agenda is sin, but there is so much more.