Did anyone get lost while I was gone?

I lost it for few days -- but then I got it back again.

Bob

 

It got lost in Rom 11 but then I got it back "he is able to restore them again if they do not continue in unbelief" - Rom 11.

 

Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"


Curious to know what you do with these verses. Please refrain from going to another verse to show that this verse does not fit with your doctrine.

 

"he is able to restore them again if they do not continue in unbelief" - Rom 11.

Let me guess- you are trying to find a solution for "making this text go away".

 

Glory to the Holy Name of the Almighty God for there is nothing that can remove me from His Mighty Hand. :jesus: His Right Hand BTW. :godisgood:

 

My thought is that Hebrews 6:4 is talking about an intensive or progressive walk of faith which occurs over a period of time and has endured much testing, but some challenge to faith is presented and the person who originally possessed faith changes, deliberately chooses to depart, knowing fully well that he is turning his back on Jesus Christ. He chooses to leave God: It's not a matter of God leaving him: However, once a person makes this choice, God is under no obligation or presumption that He will accept the person back: Even repentance requires conviction of sin: but a person so hardened as to not only embrace ' not caring' but also to embrace sin in open defiance/ perhaps even a challenge to God's own authority has refused the authority by which conscience is moved to repentance and cannot return because there is nothing remaining to draw him back.

I believe Hebrews is a serious warning, not just against deliberate sin, but also for us to be on guard at all times regarding our attitude towards God, and the influences which may cause doubt and disbelief, and/or following into apostate doctrines.

 

No way to tell until I kick the bucket.

 

I'm still saved. I back slid a bit in February, but that is under the blood now :godisgood:


OSAS Proof Text
The example of 'Reductio ad absurduem' in Hebrews 6:4-6:

Heb 6:4-6 (KJV1611 Edition):

For it is impossible for
those who were once inlightned,
and haue tasted of the heauenly gift,
and were made partakers of the holy Ghost,
5 And haue tasted the good word of God,
and the powers of the world to come;
6 If they shall fall away,
to renue them againe vnto repentance:
seeing they crucifie to themselues the Sonne of God afresh,
and put him to an open shame.

INTRODUCTION TO THE 'Reductio ad absurduem',
STATEMENT OF INTENTION:
For it is impossible for

THE TRUE PROPOSITIONS (STATEMENTS):
those who were once inlightned,
and haue tasted of the heauenly gift,
and were made partakers of the holy Ghost,
5 And haue tasted the good word of God,
and the powers of the world to come;

THE PROPOSITION (STATEMENT) TO BE PROVED FALSE:
6 If they shall fall away, to renue them againe vnto repentance:

THE THEN PORTION (THE CONCLUSION)
THAT LOGICALLY FOLLOWS THOSE IF PROPOSITIONS:
seeing they crucifie to themselues the Sonne of God afresh,
and put him to an open shame.

THE MISSING PARTS OF THE ARGUMENT:

Of course, it is obsurd that Jesus will not be crucified
again nor shamed. So the proposition to be proved
false:
6 If they shall fall away, to renue them againe vnto repentance:
has been proved, the saved cannot fall away from salvation.
Has been proved by 'Reductio ad absurduem'

However, I note about 1/3 of the New Testament is advice on how to live like a Christ-one, act like a Christ-one, talk like a Christ-one, be a Christ-one. So let us encourage one another to walk like a Christian, talk like a Christian, hope like a Christian!

 

Hint - in Heb 6 Paul is NOT arguing the case "Of course you have no problem at all because it is impossible for you to have any difficulting in persevering -- after all if persevering were a problem for anyone then they could never get back to being saved again and we all wouldn't want that to be true now would we".

Though I suppose we can all "imagine" that such a text existed.

In the mean time --

Romans 11
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.[/b][/b]

 

Romans 11
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.[/b]




Oops! That text is "still in the Bible"

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