Did anything die before sin?

Would a plucked flower have wilted in the Garden? What about the "natural" digestive process...would feces have decayed or just continued to pile up?

 

God breathed into man more than just life, what's your point anyway? Are you saying only MAN is alive? What for?

Even if your argument holds true, not all life eats plants, what about fish for example? Growing up on farms I saw 1000's of times cows eat out a paddock in a couple of hours, what you are suggesting about plants not dying is foolish. Picture the uncontrolled breeding of rabbits for example, or frogs, or locust, what you are suggesting lacks any common sense. For those that believe flies and the nasty pests of the earth were AFTER the fall, you would be introducing a creation event AFTER Genesis ch 1 just to uphold an interpretation of Rom 5 that doesn't fit anyway.

Darren

Of course death is the great enemy for mankind no one is doubting that.

Darren

 

Back when I was a kid, some were going around saying God only breathes life into man so there could have been death before the fall. I don't buy that, but it is an old teaching.

I too was brought up on a farm. However I don't believe your farm or mind was anything like how the earth was like in Eden.

I believe there was nothing bad in the created world as of Gen. 1:26,28,31, there wasn't any hunger, or struggle to make it till the next day, or suffering and no death of animal or human kind.

 

I am not sure. But if it had, it would not have been a natural death, so to speak. Iow, flowers left untouched would not die. And maybe Adam and Eve had no desire to pluck flowers.

By "decay," I would mean along with age for a person or animal life.

 

So glad you are entertained.:tongue3:

 

I'm not sure they were in the garden long enough to have plucked a flower. It appears they weren't there very long before they sinned.

 

Could be, they are a root, no root no plant.

 

Well, I didn't learn this from tradition. I think the Bible supports physical death as part of the result of the fall, and I think it's clear, but I've already spent quite a bit of time on that in this thread and another one. So I'm pretty much done with that. Thanks for being honest.

Oh my goodness! How did I sound like that? Perish the thought! I was already a partial Gnostic for most of my adult life. No thank you to that! How in the world did you get the notion that I might think that men were not created with bodies??? Yikes! I have to argue this point with some New Agers, so I hardly believe it.

I don't know the answers to that, except yes, there would be reproduction since God told them to be fruitful and multiply. You will have to ask God this one day. I do think it's possible that one could go from infant to adult without any decay, illness, or blight before sin. That would be growth, not decay or death. It is a similar question we have about heaven: babies who die - are they babies forever in heaven? When you can answer that, you can probably answer your own question.

I think the victory of the bodily resurrection is over death and decay in the body brought on by sin. I think that's clear in 1 Cor. 15 and elsewhere but apparently, not all here agree. I think maybe Paul didn't specifically state physical death because it was understood; death was both physical and spiritual.

But I think the bodily resurrection is a special promise to believers of victory over physical death because it was a bodily resurrection. It's different from any other religion, especially the ones that hark on how we are spiritual beings and bodies are only temporary, or beliefs that the body is not even real.