Did Christ's death, burial and ressurection secure salvation for anyone?

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  1. Dale-c

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    As a related thread to the ones about the attonement, do you believe that the salvation of anyone was secured by Christ at calvary?
    Could it be guranteed that anyone would ever get saved?
    Was it really "finished" or was there still something yet to be done to secure the salvation of sinners?
     
  2. Linda64

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    Did Christ say "It is finished" or not? What's your problem here? Salvation was secured for all men because God said so.

    Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
     
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    So you ARE a universalist? You don't believe ANYONE goes to hell?
     
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    Dale,

    The Word of God declares Christ died for all... not some.

    The Word of God declares He shed His blood for all... not some.

    The Word of God declares Christ said He would draw all men, not some.

    Just because He died for all, shed His blood for all, draws all, does not mean all will come.

    Many will not come to Him that they might have life. Their choice..

    I know it is hard for you to understand choice, but if you would stop questioning the grace offered to all, and search the Scriptures with the acceptance of the reality of how far Christ's love reaches, you may be able to comprehend what all, finished, draw, whole, and many other Biblical truths mean.
     
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    You certainly know how to twist and misquote what I said. The ATONEMENT (by the way there is only one "t" in atonement) was universal...Christ died for all. Salvation is a gift to "whosoever" will accept it by trusting the universal atonement of Christ on the cross of Calvary.
     
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    I'm with SFIC on this one

    Christ died for the sins of the world

    He also purchased the church with His blood

    Not all will receive Him

    But John 1:12 does give the promise---"But as many as receive Him to them gave He power to become the Sons of God, even to them that believe on His name"

    Will everyone believe on His name? No! But for those who do---salvation has come to their house!!
     
  7. PK

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    The Bible says that the same ALL effected by Adams sin is the same ALL that can be effected by the second Adams righteousness. (It's called a pattern)

    Part 1 - Because of the First Adam's sin. (OUR Great Grand dad!)
    Rom. 5:12 says that because of Adam, death passed upon ALL men because of sin. By the sin of disobedience, death now effects ALL men in Adam lineage. Proof?
    1 Cor. 15:22 says, "For as in Adam ALL die..."
    Rom 5:18 says, "Therefore as by the offense of one judgement came upon ALL men to condemnation..."

    Part 2 - The Second Adam (Jesus Christ)
    1Cr 15:45 - And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
    1Cr 15:46 - Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
    1Cr 15:47 - The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.

    The Second Adam ushered in a new spiritual creation:
    Col 1:12 - Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    Col 1:13 - Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
    Col 1:14 - In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

    Wow, the Bible says that ALL mankind fell in the first Adam, but that this same ALL, can rise through the second - Jesus Christ!
    Rom 5:19 - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
    Rom 5:20 - Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
    Rom 5:21 - That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
     
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    As you twisted what I said apparently.

    Do you believe that the salvation for any particular person was made certain?

    or do you believe that it would have been possible that NO ONE would have ever been ssaved?
     
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    Only if Augustine, Calvin, etc. were right about "original sin" and "total depravity!" :laugh: Thank God, they weren't! They didn't even know what "spiritually dead" meant!

    skypair
     
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    So whose salvation was specifically secured?
    Who was guaranteed salvation at the cross?
     
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    Specifically: Noah, Abraham, Moses, John the Baptist, Peter and others "who believed in times past".

    Guarenteed: Whosoever believeth!

    I'm not sure why you have a problem with this?
     
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    Ok, I will ask you directly, was your salvation secured at the cross or was it merely the possibility of your salvation that was secured?

    Absolutely! Anyone who believes shall be saved.
    For all who would believe, their salvation was secured.
    But what about those that do not believe, was their salvation secured as well?
    How could their salvation be secured if they go to hell?
     
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    Dale, this has been explained to you many times. A person's salvation can be secure yet not accepted. Not accepting doesn't mean the payment wasn't made, only that the payment wasn't applied to the debt.
     
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    No it can't.
    The possibility can be secured but not accepted.

    If a persons salvation was secured but they do not get saved then nothing was secured.
    No, because if the payment was made then it WAS applied to the debt.

    For instance, if you work for the money you need to pay a debt of $500 and you receive a check for $500 but you never cash the check and never pay the person you owe, even though you earned the possibility of payment, you never actually paid.

    So as I understand the historical general Baptist view, Christ earned the ability to save all but only those who accept will actually have the payment made.

    If the payment was made but God still sends a person to hell for a debt the person no longer owes then God would be unjust.
     
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    Did God fail when the high priest made atonement for all of Israel, even though some rejected it because of unbelief?

    Did God fail when Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert when some people refused to look upon it due to unbelief?

    These are shadows of things to come, are they not?

    Jesus said:

    Jhn 3:14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
    Jhn 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.


    Just as people refused to look upon the serpent because of unbelief, so will people refuse Christ because of unbelief, yet the atonement was made for all, just as the high priest made atonement for all.
     
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    Exactly Amy!
     
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    Drawing is always toward completion SFiC , it is never presented in Scripture as a halfway kind of process .

    Scripture declares that Christ died for His sheep , not the non-sheep i.e. goats . Christ died for the Church ( see acts 20:28 and Ephesians 5:2,23,25 ) . The foreknown ,predestined , called , justified and glorfied are all one group ( see Romans 8:28-30 ) . They are select individuals known in the Bible as the elect , saints , children of God and many other designations .
     
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    My Christ died not only for the sheep, but for the goats as well.

    It was because of sin He gave His blood. Scripture declares all to be under sin before Christ. Scripture declares all to be drawn to Him because of His being nailed to that cross. Scripture declares all to be offered that gift of eternal life if they will only trust in He who gives it.

    God is not a respector of persons. He sent His Son to be the Savior of all men, not just some.

    It is not the Christ of the Bible who is being taught by many false teachers who would cast doubt as to the far reaching love of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is another christ.

    2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
     
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    One Error At A Time

    Chapter and verse please . Your view is not found in God's Word -- your KJV or any other translation .
     
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    Oh, my view is in God's Word. You just choose not to believe it.
     

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