Did Christ's death, burial and ressurection secure salvation for anyone?

Amen, skypair. Good post and well put.

 

Not at all Dale. Christ said: "If I be lifted up I will draw all me to me."

The drawing is there. The fact that not all men will respond only shows that God desires men who choose freely.

 

Dale-c --- did you miss this?

 

No , this Calvinist will not . Christ doesn't offer , He bestows -- He gives Salvation -- not a mere proffering of it .

 

...making faith unnecessary.

You will claim otherwise, I'm sure.

 

The Bible does not contradict itself . John 12:32 has to be matched up with John chapter 6 ( especially verses 37, 44 and 65 ) where drawing is addressed as a major doctrine . Unless the Father draws those of His choosing to Christ -- no one becomes saved . Only those given to Christ from the Father will come to Christ .

 

You are most certainly correct . I will indeed claim otherwise and you knew it but wasted your keystrokes saying it anyway .

Faith is indispensible . It is given , bestowed -- to the elect as a gift as is repentance .

 

Everyone has faith in something. It is the object of that faith that saves or dooms. Eph. 2:8-9 is not a "proof text" that faith is "given" as your camp claims, and I think you know it, but will let theology rule over Scripture.

 

What a butchering of plain Scripture!

 

My 'camp' doesn't claim only Ephesians 2:8,9 . How about Acts 18:27, 2 Corinthians 4:6 , Philippians 1:29 and 2 Peter 1:1 also ?

 

Let's see who the Burcher is in reality . Did Christ die for those He hates ? Did he give himself for those in Hell ? Did He lay down His life for those He does not know ? The answer to all three questions is no . Therefore He did not die for each and every person who has , is ,and shall live .

 

Scripture declares Christ died for all. Rippon seems to know more than the Holy Spirit who inspired the Word to be penned down.

 

... or your lame interpretation of what 'love' means , which robs God of His justice . I know you need 'love' to mean the absence of 'hate' ... but it doesn't .

 

I have repeatedly demonstrated from the Word of God who Christ died for . Scripture is quite plain that He died for a specific group , not each and every . His elect are the only ones for which He shed His blood . Only the ones whose names are inscribed in the Lamb's Book of Life are saved . That's a rather indisputable scriptural fact .

 

Since the Bible nowhere comes close to teaching Calvinism, maybe you should familiarize yourself with its truths.