Did Eve Lie To The Serpent?

Actually, the first time it is used in the NT is in James 3:14, since James is the first written NT book.

Jas 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth.

ψεύδομαι
pseudomai
psyoo'-dom-ahee
Middle voice of an apparently primary verb; to utter an untruth or attempt to deceive by falsehood: - falsely, lie.

 

I always took sin entering the world to mean through procreation. I believe Eve did sin, as sin is the breaking of God's Law...and she did just that.

 

She did not quote the commandment, word for word, as you stated. I think you are missing the word "surely" in your quote (as did Eve: Strange that Satan corrected her while denying the truth of it). Did you make a mistake by leaving
"surely" out of the quote; did you lie? or were you sloppy?

The only commandment they had, at that point, was to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Scripture tells us (as noted earlier) that Eve was deceived.

I have heard preachers say that the moment Eve looked on the fruit and "lusted" after it, that she sinned. Or that the moment she decided to believe the lie of Satan, that she sinned.

Scripture says sin entered the world through the transgression of the commandment not to eat of the fruit.

Anything else is denying the word of God.

peace to youraying:

 

Bingo... This is the way I see it. :thumbs:

I think scripture is clear regarding the first sin and the fall of man...

Ro 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

SFIC, how do you believe Moses received this story? Sme believe it was divinely inspired and others believe these stories were told over time and Moses was just the first to pen it to paper. There are other variations also. How do you believe the story made Hole writ?

 

Yes, we know the Priesthood of Melchisedec was in effect after the fall of man;

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The second part or more direct question to you had to do with how literal we take the early stories like creation, Noah etc...

 

I always thought that it could be likely that Adam instructed Eve of that. If so she would have been listening to Adam, and not lying. But we really don't have enough information to be certain on the matter.

 

I started to suggest that but then I thought, naw, SFIC will say Adam sinned before eating the fruit so I left it alone. :laugh: :thumbs:

 

Did Eve hear the command directly from God? The command was given in Gen 2:16,17 but verse 18 begins with, "It is not good that the man should be alone;"

If this is correct then the only thing Eve could know is what Adam told her. She didn't hear it first hand.

 

Guys, I think Canadyjd has this correct. God gave one command only "Don't eat of the tree". That is it.

Now the tree brought knowledge of good and evil. Before eating they (Adam and Eve) had no knowledge, no way of telling that something was wrong or right except that one command of don't eat from that tree. Hence before they ate they had no awareness of being naked (something I believe God included in the Word just for this sort of conversation).

Whether Eve lied or was mistaken is a moot point, because at this point in time, SHE had no comprehension of either. Thus, she was decieved and Adam outright disobeyed.

 

Off topic, I can't believe you changed your signature to one from a highly Calvinistic Preacher. I'm glad you are finding some good in some of their writings even though you dissagree with their doctrine. :thumbs:

 

He is a staunch Calvinist, you might want to evaluate what he actually meant there. He believed in the doctrine of election. There must be a different context with what he was saying there, or other parts of the sermon that show the rest of the story. I posted part of one of his sermons in the general thread, I guess it shoud be here in the theology thread. If the mods want to move go ahead.

 

I asked this question a couple months ago on BB...

Good question SFIC....

I also believe that God must have told Eve this....
It just didn't get recorded... Until Eve quoted God.


We can have fun with this.....

God tells man "Don't eat it" .... Man knows not to even go near..
But God tells woman, "Don't eat it... and don't even touch it."... knowing women. LOL

Just like a husband's command ... "Don't buy any more shoes".....
MUST be followed by, "Don't even go near the store"....

Because we know women....

:tonofbricks:

HEY, who through that first brick?!! MK?

 

We know for certainly that she left out the word "surely" as in "ye shall surely die". There is no need to speculate on that.

menageiekeeper has it right. Whether she intentionally spoke a falsehood (I don't believe that) or was simply misspoke due to Adam's instructions, sloppiness or nervousness at a talking snake, makes no difference. There was NO SIN prior to the fall. Sin entered by the transgression of Adam.

peace to youraying:

 

Eve was given Adam's version of God's Word. A whole new meaning to AV. :laugh: