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I am going through Jeremiah on Sunday mornings and Israel has consistently refused to obey God thinking they're alright because they still have the Scriptures and a place to worship. I'm in ch. 25 where God says He is sending them into captivity for 70 years. In verses 8-11, it says,

God calls Nebuchadnezzar his servant and the one whom God will send against the land. It was God's will for Israel to be fully under His hand of judgment. Certainly, old Neb wanted to come to the Land, but he was coming because God told him to come and carry the people of Israel away.

We somehow think that God has lost that power to move people to do whatever He chooses. I can't explain that. But God is either completely in control or as Webdog said,

Because we're uncomfortable with the truth doesn't give us the right to create God in our own image.

 

Yes or No: Does everything happen because God willed it?

 

It wasn't aimed at me, but if I can, let me answer "yes".

Now let me ask you: What actions does God hand over His will to man on? Is it only for the bad things? We don't like the idea that the President was re-elected, so it couldn't have been God's will? What if it was God's will to directly punish the US for the sin of abortion?

 

I think the quail reference is very apt....and nicely unexpected. :thumbs: nice one

 

Thanks!

After watching the DVD Isaiah 9:10 this evening, it could be that America is under God's Judgment.

I started a thread in the Politics Forum here:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=82645

 

Yes. His will encompasses His decretive and permissive will.

Now let me ask you...is God omniscient, or was He watching the election as we were saying "oh boy, they each have 174 electoral votes with 30% reporting, wonder if the mormon will pull it out"

 

Just pray that our leaders will do the right thing. As that starts with healing and growing also of the economy. In which 23M people are out of work. And that jobs will grow slowly yet surely.

I will leave it at that!:1_grouphug:

 

Not happening. 45 companies announced layoffs in 48 hours. This is just the beginning.

 

:thumbsup::applause::thumbsup::applause:

 

Isaiah 45


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Isaiah 45


45 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.[/QUOTE]

God is always in control.....there is never a time when he is not in total control.

 

If everything that happens happens because he willed it, then there should be no differentiation between "decretive" and "permissive." He willed everything that happens or he didn't.

No, he probably hasn't said "oh boy" since the original 'nativity.'

 

False dichotomy. Allowing something is not the same as forcing it. You are on the polar opposite side of hyper calvinism which is just as bad if not worse as it removes all sovereignty from God.

your answer to is he omniscient is no then?

 

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That fact that God is capable of allow man to act in opposition to His will while remaining God is a demonstration of His true sovereignty. His sovereignty is not dependent upon every aspect of creation being micromanaged. God's sovereignty & man's free will are as co-existent as Christ's humanity & deity. I may not understand how two diametrically opposed realities can co-exist, but it is not my job to understand it, only to accept it. To say that God "causes" sin would be heresy. This may fit Mormon theology that God was once a corrupt, sinful man, but it does not fit with the Christian theology that God is the eternal, sinless Creator.


After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:9-10

Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness. Psalm 143:10

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

 

What does the Bible say

Romans 13:1-2 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

Daniel 2:12 "He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;"

So Yes to the question according to the Bible

YES!