Did God Breathe Out (Inspire) Actual English Words

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    1. Did God breathe out actual English words like He did to the writers of the Bible in Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic?

    2. What actual words did God actually breathe out?

    3. What English translation contains these actually breathed-out words?

    4. What about synonyms? (ex: a translation might use sin or trespass or fault or transgression all to translate the same Greek word) Which is the correct God-breathed English word?

    5. What do we do with the God-breathed Greek/Hebrew words that have been the authority for 2000-3500 years? They are obviously different, so are they superceded by the English God-breathed words?

    6. When an English translation adds words not in the Greek/Hebrew, are those words automatically God-breathed?

    7. Will the English God-breathed words correct the Greek God-breathed words?

    8. If God breathed-out English words in one translation, how can that translation ever be changed (updated) without attacking God's Words?

    9. If God breathed-out only one translation, are all others therefore false, since they differ in word choices from that one translation?

    10. Is this a truly sad list of questions to demonstrate how foolish people can be when they claim God gave His Words, actually breathing them out inspired in English?

    But some (on other threads) actually state that God breathed-out and inspired actual English words. That is an attack on inspiration and I will not let such an attack on God's Words stand unchallenged.
     
  2. Mexdeaf

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    Nothing I can say to that except, "AMEN!"

    Let God be true and every man a liar.
     
  3. ray Marshall

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    I don't know how he did it, but we have a Holy Bible.
     
  4. sag38

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    Will someone step up and answer the questions? I'd like to hear the answers.
     
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    Of course it was in English. It was in KJV 1611 English. DUH.
     
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    Here is my take. In short, the words are not The Word. The words are merely tools to communicate The Word.

    First let's understand that language is really a sequence of sounds that we have defined by assigning meaning. The same sound can be used in multiple languages and have different meanings.

    Defined words have changed in meaning over time and geographical location. This is the lesson from Babel.

    Our daily use of language is as much part calibration as it is communicating. This also explain why Spanish from Mexico is not the same as Spanish from Spain.

    God speaks in ways the receiver of the message can understand. This can be verbal as well as non-verbal means. This can be via sound or directly to their heart.

    The one spoken to records God's message in a fashion or language with which they are familiar.

    To get that message to others, it must be translated into a language others understand.

    It can't always be a word for word translation because every word on one language may not have a corresponding word in another. There is also sentence structure, word usage etc... that makes this impossible.

    For the above reason's I don't encourage a literal word for word, microscopic study of the bible since time has transpired from the original text which contains slang and other implied messages and because accurate word for word translations are left to the judgment of the translator.

    I encourage going more for intent and meaning. One can memorize the Bible word for word and still not know one thing about God or His Word. This is the significance of the first chapter of John which climaxes with, "and the Word became Flesh and dwelt among us". God's Word is not a language or series of words, we merely use language and words as a tool to communicate The Word which is the living message.

    Yes, absolutely... :thumbs:

    We spend too much time arguing over the words that we loose the message of The Word.
     
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    1. Did God breathe out actual English words like He did to the writers of the Bible in Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic? No, none of these languages are English, although some English words get their root meanings from these.

    2. What actual words did God actually breathe out? All that are in harmony and present the truth at all times

    3. What English translation contains these actually breathed-out words? The King James Bible

    4. What about synonyms? (ex: a translation might use sin or trespass or fault or transgression all to translate the same Greek word) Which is the correct God-breathed English word?Sin is usually an act against God alone. Iniquity is sin against God and man. Transgressions are normally against man and inadvertantly against God in turn.

    5. What do we do with the God-breathed Greek/Hebrew words that have been the authority for 2000-3500 years? They are obviously different, so are they superceded by the English God-breathed words?YOU have them? Where? We all have access to them in English.

    6. When an English translation adds words not in the Greek/Hebrew, are those words automatically God-breathed?When they express the meaning of those words found other languages, Yes.

    7. Will the English God-breathed words correct the Greek God-breathed words?Actually the Greek words enhance the meanings of the English words to relate the contextual meaning otherwise overlooked without indepth study II Timothy 2:15

    8. If God breathed-out English words in one translation, how can that translation ever be changed (updated) without attacking God's Words?It cannot due to those words relate the perfect meaning and interpretation. Now if you want to monkey around with meanings and mince words.....

    9. If God breathed-out only one translation, are all others therefore false, since they differ in word choices from that one translation?They are fasle when they present something contradicting the truth

    10. Is this a truly sad list of questions to demonstrate how foolish people can be when they claim God gave His Words, actually breathing them out inspired in English?Isn't it rather foolish to think that God hasn't preserved His inspired words in English and left men guessing as to what the mind of the Spirit actually is?

    But some (on other threads) actually state that God breathed-out and inspired actual English words. That is an attack on inspiration and I will not let such an attack on God's Words stand unchallenged.Funny, you construe holding to the inspiration of scripture as an attack on God's word while attacking those who know better. we rather applaud inspiration while you have dogmatically limited limited a view of inspiration and would have others bow to your mercy.
     
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    Can't wait to see how Dr. Bob will try and refute that emphatic TRUTH!:laugh:
     
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    No, God did not breath them. The way English came about is as follows. When God gave languages to the peoples of earth he gave an angel a big bag of languages. As the angel flew over country after country the angel dropped Chinese on the Chinese, Russian on the Russians, etc. Finally the angel was finished and started going back to heavey, but noticed a small island.

    "Oops, I missed that one," the angel thought. "I need to give them a langauge." The angel looked in the bag and saw that except for bits and pieces of language that had broken off the bag was empty.

    "What shall I do?" the angel ask.

    Then the angel had a bright idea and turning the bag over dropped all the bits and pieces onto the island we know as England. And that is how the English language came into being, and that is why English contains words from every langauge on earth.
     
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    1. No
    2. The Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek in the originals.
    3. All good translations are translations of these words into various languages
    4. Synonyms are equal in translating God's words.
    5. They are not superceded but used to go back to for new translations
    6. No, but they can express what the original meant or was saying
    7. No, they shouldn't
    8, 9, and 10 N/A because I don't think God breathed out English words
     
  11. Salamander

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    The whole truth and nothing but the truth is: no matter how you try to look at it, man started with Adam in attempting to rationalize the word of God as if His words are not inspired from the beginning.

    If this arguement goes as suspected, it will offer the idea that God's chosen people penned His words down in that language then in use. that idea would have to incorporate that His chosen people also speak many languages.

    The ideal that the Lord confounded languages and only the original tongues are inspired is to stop all of God's speaking at the Tower of Babel.

    What an insane ideal!:laugh:

    To think we only have the inspired words of God in the originals only would mean that God somehow died and was incapsulated in those languages.


    Hmmm? Not much of a God to allow men to do that, huh?

    I have the inspired words of God in my English Bible. The Spirit bears witness to that many, many times in my Bible.

    To deny that is to make God a liar.

    His word tells me in English that His word is inspired.

    Telling me that English Bibles are not the inspired word of God goes directly against the very word of God!

    Some people are educated above their intelligence.:tonofbricks:
     
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    One minor flaw in this theory, it was a windy day so the Brits and Australian's received a few of those bit and pieces.

    Must of had a lot of Spanish in that bag since they be speaking that stuff in a whole lotta places.
     
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    And it's intelligent to believe that only a certain English version is inspired? So people reading German, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Chinese, etc. Bible are not reading God's inspired word? God loves those believers as much as he loves any believer who can read English. In fact, it's quite wise of God to have the inspired words in Hebrew and Greek in originals we do not have. That way, no one can claim to have messed with the originals and changed the words.

    And it's not that Hebrew and Greek are inspired languages, as you say. It's that the original languages of the Bible were in Hebrew and Greek and the Bible's words in those languages were inspired. Having a translation of those is as good as having the originals, although the translations are not inspired. We do not need to be inspired to translate.
     
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    AMEN to the whole of your post.

    Sal,when you think of it "the English Bible" ( you are quite likely referencing just one in particular) is not as unique as you make it out to be.Think of all the languages which have a Bible (or portions of one).The 1611 has a lot of company.
     
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    If the King James Bible, 1611 was inspired words by God why did the translators feel a few years later they needed to revise it to, "correct errors" as they said in the preface of the revision?
     
  16. Salty

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    CTB, there you go again - confusing people with the facts again:laugh:
     
  17. HankD

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    As of yet, God has not "breathed out" any inspired English words.



    HankD
     
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    Why is it you want to deny other people to have the Bible in their own language?

    :laugh: When and where did the word of God "lose' this "inspiration" YOU are claiming it to have lost???
     
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    "A-men" to not having an inspired Bible??

    Good company at that!
     
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    Edit. Only "errors" are in type and spellings.:godisgood:
     

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