Did God die last week?

You are also seeing democracy in action. The people have freedom. We have the freedom to speak what we think with reasonable responsibility. Each member of society has certain rights, whether we agree with them or not. I am against hunting, but others favour it. We both have our rights, and that is a good thing.

If homosexuals are gaining ground in our society is it because they are more vocal than us. Is it because they take advantage of their rights more than us?

Each of us has a vote and the majority have voted in a different direction. What do you have against democracy?

Even in communist Russia, the Christian Church survived. Four Baptist Churches in Moscow had leadership selected by the government and all their pews removed, but they packed those churches and continued to worship God standing shoulder to shoulder, not sitting in comfortable pews.

It is time to look inward and see where we have gone awry rather than point fingers saying, See what those people do.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I believe them. I also believe, "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord."

 

We have gone awry by walking hand in hand with the world, until we are no longer shocked and repulsed by sin. We have gone awry by depending on politicians and government to make our country moral, instead of witnessing and relying on Christ to change hearts.:tear:

 

Excellent perspective! :thumbs:

 

You were asking someone else to do this, but here is one source from 2007:

U.S. Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama entered the media furor yesterday over comments General Peter Pace, Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, made against homosexuality last week, with both issuing statements saying, “I do not think homosexuality is immoral.”

Clinton and Obama made the statements after a homosexual activist group attacked “Democratic candidates” for failing to oppose General Pace’s comments that he believes homosexuality to be “immoral.” The general told the Chicago Tribune Monday, “I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts.”

[....]....Sen. Obama released a statement Thursday, saying, “I do not agree with General Pace that homosexuality is immoral.”
Source
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/mar/07031606.html


And
Obama wants to repeal the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which he has called “abhorrent”, even though the Act's main purpose is merely to prevent “gay marriage” adopted in one state from being foisted on all other states. Even Hillary Clinton did not come out in opposition to the Defense of Marriage Act. In Obama's own words: "Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether."

 

Can't get the rest of the 2nd source's excerpt to post.

 

Just to clarify -- I wasn't really taking a part in or stand in this thread so far. I just posted some info in response to that one query.

 

No but who wants to be persecuted? And Gods "general moral laws" as apposed to his "natural laws" hold that if you behave in a certain manner than certains things result from it. for instance if you save little by little you gain wealth. Or if you act in a way that is immoral then you have negative consequences. Sodom had a lifestyle of sin and God destroyed it. Jericho sinned and in the fulness of time God destroyed it. Israel sinned and they were taken out of the land. And on and on and on.

I for one do not want to be persecuted.

 

I sometimes wonder if the "american dream" was one of the worst things to happen to the church. When life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness take the place of the Christ, the Gospel and the pursuit of God´s glory there is a problem.

 

Roger, I agree with you, but I think that most Christians are realizing that God is going to judge our nation...

Along with the acknowlegment of judgment comes fear.

For instance check this out...
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=315364

The one time "Pastor to Presidents" said something like if God doesn't punish America, he will owe S and G an apology...
Now that Pastor is being replaced by a gay bishop....

Just another sign of what we have to look forward too...

And yes I am scared... not of my eternal status.. or spiritual placement...
But I am scared for my physical life...

I don't want me, or my family to go through what other Christians has gone through... maybe I'm selfish...

But I don't like pain!

And what kills me the most is, we see it coming, and can change it....
but the liberal Christians in America want to usher it in...

 

That is right on target. God is not mocked. We, as a nation, reap what we sow. For those that think that God has scheduled the rapture to let you avoid pain because you were not like the others, think again. He gives us the faith to trust Him to get us through situations as much as He does to remove us from situations. I wouldn't be packing my suitcase waiting at the top of a mountain. Lets face it, all of us on this board have already been blessed more than 99% of all those who ever lived.

 

No God did not die. However my respect for many that call themselves by His name did. Many that voted in this past election voted their lusts without regard to things bigger than themselves.

 

Amen Brother, amen!!

 

The wheat must be separated from the tares at harvest time. The wheat will bow in humbleness and the tare will stand tall with self pride.

What humbles the Church most? Persecution!

What makes the world proud? The thought that it is better than the Church.

 

I understand what you're saying, and I agree, but loving one's country doesn't always mean you've replaced God or are backslidden.

 

I agree, and by no means to I wish to suggest that love of country does not mean one is backslidden. However there is a problem when ones love of country supersedes his love for God- hence: patriotic idolatry (if we could call it that).

I see in the NT very little in regards to patriotism (not that it is wrong) towards ones earthly home, but there is a lot of emphasis on celestial citizenship and how this is to take precedence in the believers life.