Did GW Get GW Right?

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  1. Martin

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    President George W Bush said today:

    "And as we work to advance the cause of freedom around the world, we remember that the father of our country believed that the freedoms we secured in our revolution were not meant for Americans alone.”

    Would President George Washington have believed that it was a good idea to invade another country that presented no direct threat to the United States, that was not a friend of the United States, where the people of that country refused to stand up in mass for their own freedoms, where many of those same people believe freedom = anarchy, would Washington allow American forces to get stuck in that country due to poor planning? I think I can answer those type questions as "NO".

    George W Bush is far, far, far below the standard set by men like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

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  2. Rufus_1611

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    Since we're in Iraq because Saddam violated United Nations security resolutions, I would think the first GW would've said something like...

    "It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." - George Washington​

    I don't know about a more entangling alliance then our involvement with the creation and sustaining of the United Nations.

    About war he said...

    "My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth." - George Washington​

    I wonder what he'd think today of having a military presence in 145 nations and 14 territories...

    "Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." - George Washington​

    Interesting how he knew where the authority to declare war was found but today's GW doesn't seem to be aware...

    "The constitution vests the power of declaring war in Congress; therefore no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after they shall have deliberated upon the subject and authorized such a measure." - George Washington​

    Definitely very different GW's.
     
  3. Magnetic Poles

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    Martin, we are in total agreement.
     
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    100% agreement here also. This goes way way beyond standards set by Washington and Jefferson. This is exploring territory way below anything Nixon ever did.
     
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    This nation could not ignore the ever advancing plague of Communism. GW the first, T. Jefferson, et al would certainly have aggressively defended areas of democracies in the world would they have been confronted with it. GW the last will probably go down as the last president who's seemingly major job was to confront radical Islamic terrorists, and Congress and succeeding presidents will be responsible for dropping the fight, causing irreparable harm to this nation and the world.
     
  6. Martin

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    Very, very good post! :applause: :thumbs:
     
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    Today's Pessimistic Moment brought to you by Prozac. If it all looks bleak to you, try Prozac! And by, Budweiser, the King of Beers. If you think it will only get worse, why not drown your sorrows in a nice, cold Budweiser!
     
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    Washington, Jefferson, and those Presidents who lead us through the Cold War were not inept. We are not even talking about the same league.
     
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    For some reason people don't seem to learn from the mistakes of their fathers. Any reading of 1 Kings would confirm this fact. But due to pride and arrogance the new leaders of this country think that the short-failings of Vietnam don't apply to them since they think that they can get it done where others have failed. But the fact is that modern armies are only designed for total destruction of a standing army and their country. Not for police work or nation building.

    I am a conservative who voted for Bush twice, but he is nuts for thinking that he can impose his will on the people of Iraq. And I don't buy the argument that Iraq could be a future nest for terrorists. They already have Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and most every other Muslim country to do so with relative impunity, not to mention the full support of both the governments and peoples of those countries.
    However I have always wondered if this verse doesn't explain this totally irrational decision of GWB's to invade Iraq right after 9/11:

    "The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water:
    he turneth it whithersoever he will." Prov. 21:1

    Time will tell if GW's decision to invade Iraq didn't have any end-times significance and was a thing that God performed through GWB.

    BTW, this thread should be in the "Politics" section instead of the News.​
     
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    You got that right! :thumbs:

    I hardly call giving in to terrorist groups like Hamas as confronting islamic terrorists. I hardly call the cozy, cozy relationship GW has with the Saudi family (whose country/wealth is responsible for funding a lot of terrorism and extreme islamic terrorist propaganda) as confronting terrorism. I hardly call having our troops fight with restrictive rules of engagement as confronting terrorism, but maybe it's just me.
     
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