Let me begin by saying what I am NOT arguing and would not argue. 1. I would never argue that Jesus was ever anything less than gracious and perfect in character and behavior. I believe that Jesus loved everyone. (BTW, I believe that he loves everyone today) This thread does not at all contend that Jesus would EVER be a jerk or a bully. 2. I am not arguing that Jesus was harsh as a general rule. It was his nature to love and be merciful and kind and compassionate. That was the way he treated MOST people- and he always treated ALL people better than they deserve. We are to follow this example he set for us. 3. I am not arguing that Jesus and Paul ever debated to win. That was not their goal. Their goal was to persuade and instruct and reveal error and impart truth. They did not set out to have their hands raised in victory over the ones with whom they exchanged. I am arguing: 1. That Jesus was at times, when necessary, when being so would make a needful point- rough and harsh. These times when Jesus would be rough and harsh usually had to do with his dealings with self righteous people or people with no regard for God and his will. Jesus was jealous for his Father's glory and would at times be rough with those who undermined it. There are many examples of this that I will present as, and if, the discussion goes forward, but for now I cite this one: Here the Son who loved his Father and thus his Father's House was harsh with them who so trivialized the worship of God. The Greek word here for "cast out" is ekballo. It is a compound word "ek" meaning "out"(1537) and "ballo" meaning "to throw (in various applications more or less violent and intense)". So here we see the sinless Son of God, jealous for his Father's glory, throwing people out of the temple violently with intensity. It is worth noting that this word "ballo" is the word for when the angels "cast" the wicked into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:15. John 2 informs us: This previous instance paints an even harsher picture of his handling of wicked people who undermine the honor of God's house so. He did this twice. And he did it with great zeal- he fulfilled the prophecy- the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up. This first recorded instance he made a scourge to drive them out. Once again, was this Christ's general demeanor? No. Of course not. But was he at times harsh and rough with those whose actions demanded it? Clearly. I am out of time for now.