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Did Jesus ever kill anyone?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Joseph_Botwinick, Aug 9, 2006.

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

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    Although, he may have taken on many forms, he is still the same God. He is the Great I AM of all eternity. The God who killed all the Egyptian children is the same God who saved us from our sin.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #81 Joseph_Botwinick, Aug 9, 2006
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    Yes Joseph, but not Jesus (God in the Flesh) who you said killed people,
     
    #82 Brother Bob, Aug 9, 2006
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    aaaaw there you are. Your late. I was looking for you a hour ago.

    It seems it is a public message board.

    right?
    :)


    out doing a little ..."post and run"?
     
    #83 Jarthur001, Aug 9, 2006
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    Joseph

    Someday soon, God will take you home. Will he murder you, kill you, or allow your end to come?

    Semantics being a human endeavor, should it really matter to us what end causes us to stand before a Holy and Righteous God? Or should we be doing the best we can with God's help to get ready?

    Humbly your servant

    Wayne

     
    #84 El_Guero, Aug 9, 2006
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    Thought that what we been talking about the power of God. Ha
     
    #85 Brother Bob, Aug 9, 2006
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    You are correct that he was not in the flesh, but he was still God and has always been. Although, we did not know him as God in the flesh, he was with God and WAS God. He is the great I AM of all eternity. The same God who killed the Egyptian Children is the same God who saved us from our sin. His name is Jesus...and he always has been, is, and always will be God. The God of all eternity.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #86 Joseph_Botwinick, Aug 9, 2006
  7. El_Guero

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    If God took on forms, then he is one god.

    The True Creator, God is not a form, and He is the Trinity. Same substance (God), but distinct in Persons (Father, Son, & Holy Ghost).

    'God' taking on forms is modalism. Oneness theology. Akin to sabellianism.
     
    #87 El_Guero, Aug 9, 2006
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    Now, Joseph;
    I offer my hand in friendship and put all this behind us. Do you accept?:flower:
     
    #88 Brother Bob, Aug 9, 2006
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    God does not commit murder because all his actions and judgments are holy, righteous and just. He may choose to kill me. If so, I will praise his name as did Job in Job 1:20-22.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    No sir. I have not heard an apology for your lies about me. There is no friendship in deceit.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    God presents Himself as three seperate personages that are one being.

    Jesus and the Father are the same being even if He has the power to be different forms in different places in the same time.

    It really dosent matter when Christ was first called Jesus. Jesus Christ is God the same God that is the Father and it has been that way for all eternaty. If my left hand does something (waves goodby) then all of me did it even if it was only my left hand.

    :wavey:
     
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    El_Guero is right Brother Bob. What you are saying here comes very close to modelism. This is "oneness" theology. If you really meant what you said about "God didn't die on the cross", then you have slipped into sabellianism.

    I do think I understand what you are trying to say, however. That God the Son did not become "Jesus" until He was incarnate. Jesus, then, as God incarnate, did not kill anyone. I think that point was made early on by someone.

    peace to you:praying:
     
    #92 canadyjd, Aug 9, 2006
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    Jesus was limited because of flesh. You don't believe me, look closely at the garden of Gethsemene.
     
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    Jesus was one born out of time where as Christ existed before there was. Yes, he was more than flesh, the second part of the God head occupied the fleshly body. Now notice how many times he says greater than this can you do. Don't you find that interesting?
     
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    Jesus may have imposed limits upon himself, but he was no less God because of it, and was no less in control. If you don't believe me, just check out his answer to Pilate's arrogant proclamation that he had the power to kill him and set him free. Something about him being able to call down legions of angels at any moment and his kingdom not being of this world.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Not really. Is there a reason I should?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #96 Joseph_Botwinick, Aug 9, 2006
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    God the Son did much more than "occupy" a fleshly body. He took on humanity forever. Jesus will forever be the "God-man". The one who is fully God and fully man.

    What do you think Jesus meant when He said they would do greater things?

    peace to you.:praying:
     
    #97 canadyjd, Aug 9, 2006
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    In a sense, Christ, the worthy lamb was there from the beginning. When the word became flesh (again, born out of time)??? Remember, Jesus was 100% human and 100% divine. The divine was there from the beginning but the flesh was born out of time. Both the flesh and the Divinity = Jesus who died on the Cross.
     
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    What do you mean by "born out of time"?

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    You miss the whole point, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. The problem with all of us is trying to put this all in our puny minds as if we had the mind of God.

    DeeJay;
    It does matter when this whole thing is over Joseph saying that Jesus killed people so when He became Jesus is the whole answer to it all. amen,
     
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