Did Jesus Go to Hell after He Died?

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  1. awaken

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    The Hebrew word Sheol is equivalent to the Greek word Hades, and they refer to a temporary "prison" where the spirits of all of the unrighteous people throughout history will remain until Judgment Day.

    The Greek word Tartarus refers to a "dungeon" (possibly within Hades) in which certain fallen angels are being held until Judgment Day.

    Hades is described as being under (or inside) the earth.

    The Greek word Gehenna is equivalent to the Lake of Fire, and this is the place where all of the unrighteous people throughout history will be tormented day and night (along with the devil and his demons). This is probably the place that most people would associate with the English word "Hell." In that case, Jesus did not go to Hell after He died.

    "Paradise" was a compartment within Hades in which the spirits of all of the righteous people were held until after Jesus' death and resurrection and ascension into Heaven.

    Jesus went down to Hades after He died, and then He took the Paradise compartment of Hades up into Heaven. So Paradise and all of the Old Testament saints are now in Heaven, and Christians go straight to Heaven when we die (rather than going down to Hades first).

    I do not see in scriptures where we go into "soul sleep" after we die. (Could be wrong?? But I do not see it!)

    This is kinda the conclusion...but will be glad to discuss this subject!
     
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    You know, usually when people post a new thread titled by a question, it is because they don't know the answer and are hoping someone will tell them. But you seem to have asked a question when you have already come to a detailed conclusion. :flower:
     
  3. awaken

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    Was my conclusion wrong?
     
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    I do not believe that Jesus went to hell after He died. His body DID go to the grave (physically) as His Spirit went to heaven.

    Paradise is heaven, if we look at the context of the word used in the New Testament (it is mentioned three times, once when Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be in paradise with Jesus; once when Paul was taken up into paradise and then in Revelation, we see it is where the tree of life is).
     
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    You need to go back and study that word again.
     
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    Uh, for believers: Absent from the body, present with the Lord.
     
  7. awaken

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    Well lets take a word at at time...Sheol...

    In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word Sheol refers to the place where the departed spirits of the dead went. Here are some things that Bible scholars say about Sheol:

    "hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit." (Strong's Hebrew Dictionary, emphasis added)

    "not the earth, for Joseph was supposed to be torn in pieces, but the unknown place-- the place of departed souls, where Jacob expected at death to meet his beloved son." (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary , verse 35, emphasis added)

    "A grave is one particular cavity purposely digged for the interment of a dead person; "sheol" is a collective name for all the graves. He that is in the grave is in "sheol;" but he that is in "sheol" may not be in a grave, but in any pit, or in the sea. In short, it is the region of the dead; which is figuratively considered as a city or large habitation with gates and bars in which there are many chambers Pro_7:27.' "Sheol" is never full, but is always asking or craving more Pro_27:20; Heb_2:5. Here it means, not a place of punishment, but the region of the dead, where the ghosts of the departed are considered as residing together." (Barnes, from http://www.e-sword.net/commentaries.html , Isaiah 14:9, emphasis added)
    So in the Old Testament, Sheol was considered to be the place where the spirits of the dead went. Here are a few examples of the 63 passages which contain the Hebrew word Sheol:

    "All his sons and daughters came to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. "No," he said, "in mourning will I go down to the grave [Sheol] to my son." So his father wept for him." (Genesis 37:35)

    "As a cloud vanishes and is gone, so he who goes down to the grave [Sheol] does not return." (Job 7:9)

    "If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths [Sheol], you are there." (Psalms 139:8)

    "The path of life leads upward for the wise to keep him from going down to the grave [Sheol]." (Proverbs 15:24)

    "The grave [Sheol] below is all astir to meet you at your coming; it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you-- all those who were leaders in the world; it makes them rise from their thrones-- all those who were kings over the nations." (Isaiah 14:9)

    "From within the grave [Sheol] the mighty leaders will say of Egypt and her allies, 'They have come down and they lie with the uncircumcised, with those killed by the sword.'" (Ezekiel 32:21)

    "Though they dig down to the depths of the grave [Sheol], from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring them down." (Amos 9:2)

    Throughout the Old Testament, the Hebrew word Sheol is often translated in the NIV as "the grave," and it's sometimes translated as "Hell" in other versions of the Bible (such as the KJV). In the above passages, notice that people go "down" to Sheol (they never go "up" to Sheol). There are some passages which give us an indication of where Sheol is located...but first I would like to cover some other words.
     
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    Now, yes! But not before Jesus died, right?
     
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    Did people go to heaven BEFORE Jesus died?
     
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    Hades

    In the New Testament, the Greek equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Here are some things that Bible scholars say about Hades:

    "the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell." (Strong's Greek Dictionary)

    "Hades is technically the unseen world, the Hebrew Sheol, the land of the departed, that is death." (Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament , emphasis added)

    "The Greek word "Hades" means literally "a place devoid of light; a dark, obscure abode"; and in Greek writers was applied to the dark and obscure regions where disembodied spirits were supposed to dwell." (Barnes, from http://www.e-sword.net/commentaries.html , Acts 2:27, emphasis added)

    "Hades never denotes the physical grave nor is it the permanent region of the lost. It is the intermediate state between death and the ultimate hell, Gehenna" (The Complete Word Study Dictionary of the New Testament, Spiros Zodhiates, p.82, emphasis added)

    So according to a number of Bible scholars, Hades is a temporary place of confinement where the spirits of the dead go, and it's equivalent to Sheol in the Old Testament. Here are all of the New Testament references to Hades (with one exception)

    "And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths [Hades]." (Matthew 11:23)

    "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." (Matthew 16:18)

    "And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths [Hades]." (Luke 10:15)

    "Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will live in hope, because you will not abandon me to the grave [Hades], nor will you let your Holy One see decay." (Acts 2:26-27)

    "Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave [Hades], nor did his body see decay." (Acts 2:31)

    "When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory." "Where, O death [Hades], is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"" (1 Corinthians 15:54-55)

    "I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." (Revelation 1:18)

    "I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." (Revelation 6:8)

    "The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." (Revelation 20:13-14)

    In the above passages we can see that Hades is considered to be "down" in the New Testament, just like Sheol is considered to be "down" in the Old Testament. Notice that some of the passages in the book of Revelation (above) have "personified" both death and Hades (referring to them as if they were alive), and Revelation 20:13-14 (above) indicates that death and Hades will ultimately be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
     
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    Is heaven bound by time?
     
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    "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell [Hades], where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'" (Luke 16:22-26)

    In this story, Jesus described an unrighteous man being tormented in Hades, and this man looked "up" and saw Abraham far away. This passage seems to indicate that Hades consisted of two "compartments" (so to speak) before the cross. In one compartment the unrighteous are being held in torment until Judgment Day, and in another compartment the righteous were held in relative comfort (until Jesus ascended up to Heaven) Between these two compartments there was some kind of "chasm" which made it impossible for people to travel from one compartment to the other, and this seems to imply that unrighteous people did not have a second chance to receive salvation after they died.

    Notice that the NIV uses the word "hell" for the Greek word Hades in Luke 16:22-26. Because of this we might assume that Hades is "Hell," but is that an accurate assumption?
     
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    Have you searched out the words in scriptures? Could people go to heaven BEFORE Jesus died?
     
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    Jesus was bodily raised from the grave, and spiritually as well. Was His body still in the grave when He was resurrected? Absolutely not.
     
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    Revelation 13:8 tells us that Jesus' death was not bound by time:

    " And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
     
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    I think we will better understand this if we first understand the words for Paradise, The Lake of Fire, Gehenna, Tartarus, Hades and Sheol!

    "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?" (Ephesians 4:8-9, KJV)
     
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    Paradise is where they were at...and I can show you this..but it will take some time!
     
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    John 3:13 says "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

    It's kind of hard to ascend unless you descend. Jesus came down from heaven (descended) to the earth and then ascended back.
     
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    1. Jesus did not go to hell.

    2. Jesus said "Father into THY Hands I commend My Spirit" at his death.
    3. Stephen ALSO did the same "into THY hands I commend my spirit" at death.

    The word for grave is Sheol heb. and also Hades in Grk

    'hades' meaning 'Hades' or 'the grave' (Strong's 86)

    HOWEVER - Jesus DID pay the Rev 20 "Second death" suffering owed by all sinners in all of time - on the cross. NOT merely the FIRST death - but also the torment and suffering for the 2nd death.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Throughout the entire Bible, Sheol and Hades are always considered to be "down." Here are some examples from the Old Testament...

    Notice that Sheol is "below":
    "For a fire has been kindled by my wrath, one that burns to the realm of death [Sheol] below. It will devour the earth and its harvests and set afire the foundations of the mountains." (Deuteronomy 32:22)

    This says that Sheol is "below," possibly where "the foundations of the mountains" are located (depending on how literally we should take that expression).

    Sheol is sometimes referred to as being "in the depths":
    "But little do they know that the dead are there, that her guests are in the depths of the grave [Sheol]." (Proverbs 9:18)

    The prophet Isaiah said that people descended into Sheol:
    "Therefore the grave [Sheol] enlarges its appetite and opens its mouth without limit; into it will descend their nobles and masses with all their brawlers and revelers." (Isaiah 5:14)
     

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