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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Jul 20, 2012.
Do those holding to theistic evolution here have consensus on this?
Are these mutually exclusive?
Yes, they are. Evolution means that everything happened by chance, and that all live evolved from dead matter to a lower life form to a higher life form and eventually into humans over millions of years.
Creation means that God spoke everything into existence--except for the first two humans who He made with His own hands and breathed life into them. While there is such a thing as living things changing or adapting to its environment, that is not the same as evolution.
Well said! Theistic evolution is a cop out, a farce! My belief is that if God did not create man as Scripture teaches then God would certainly not redeem man.
Yes, as evolution would have humans coming from a common primate ancestor to the Great Apes, while creation would have Us as a special act of creation directly from God!+
"theistic evolution" = Bible tells Who created life. Evolution tells how it was done.
A way to balance faith in God with what's being taught in our education systems and every other outlet with an agenda to weaken the faith of the unsuspecting.
So its accepting at face value the 'scientific facts/proofs" for evolution, but trying to keep God involved in it?
I highly highly disbelieve that God and Darwin could even stand in the same room! They exist as "thesis" and "antithesis" as God and Lucifer do...If God created us but we as mankind evolve into our own future without God, then we are screwed since we STILL can't rid the world of murder, stealing, wars, rumors of wars etc. et al.....(and it's been how long according to evolution?? (15,000,000,000,000 yrs??))
Incorrect. You need to study what evolution really is. Chance is NOT the driver. Natural selection is. Traits and mutations that prove beneficial to the survival of an organism is perpetuated by virtue of its beneficial nature.
Living matter from non-living matter is not evolution either. That is abiogenesis...a completely different topic.
Mutations by their very nature 'normally' harmful, many times producung "freaks"....
What causes the extra/additional DNA coding needed to mutate across specicies come from?
How did humans ALONE evolve a soul?
Why don't Great Apes have one?
Some mutations are beneficial...some are not.
Across species is an artificial delineation. It happens very gradually until two populations can no longer interbreed and are eventually different species.
Souls are not in the study of science. By its nature, science deals with the natural world.
How do you know other great apes don't have one?
Trying to balance in one hand secular education that begins in pre-school and continues through life. (Documentaries, "Global Warming", journal articles, etc.).
While trying to balance the teachings of the Bible in the other.
IMHO, theistic evolution wouldn't exist if secular education didn't treat evolution as fact and taught alternatives to it. I know because for a while I believed in theistic evolution after 50+ years of indroctrination. (At the time didn't have any idea that it had a label.) That is until my pastor challenged my beliefs. Only then, did I discover how the flood explains so much of what evolution touts as facts proving the THEORY.
----- believing evolution is the method God used to create what we see today.
----- because the alternative that gives God the credit isn't taught.
No, but I have wondered about a few people I have met. :laugh:
God had created animals the day before and so some common ancestor to man and ape may have been the "dust" God formed into man. Because many of the miracles described in the Bible are instantaneous, most of us assume God created man from scratch, rather than through theistic evolution.
Day-age old earth folks can use theistic evolution, where 6 24 hour day folks require instantaneous creative acts.
But at the end of the day, the Bible teaches, Job 38, we are without a clue as to exactly how God did it, all we really know is He did.
We may not know the mechanics, but we do know how long it took, one day.
Can you give us an example of a beneficial mutation?
Most are neither harmful or helpful.
There is no evidence that any mutation has ever changed a species so as to benefit it, NONE.
It's a shame to be satisfied with ignorance rather than actually READ. :laugh:
the shame is to believe false statements in your reading. there is no mutations that are benificial.